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PostSubject: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:34 am

Hey fellow guitar nerds.
I have the chance to get a Bad Cat Club II 1x12 Combo with a Bad Cat 2x10 extension Box for hopefully under a grand on ebay.
I have never tried this amp but I heard they sound awesome.
Do you think it would give me a good Rockabilly sound? I'm not looking for the real setzer sound in detail. Last saturday I played a SSU through a Vox AC 30 with blue bulldogs and really liked the sound I git from it in the store.
I think the bad cat is going in the vix direction.
Do you think it would suit me?
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:14 am

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Hey fellow guitar nerds.
I have the chance to get a Bad Cat Club II 1x12 Combo with a Bad Cat 2x10 extension Box for hopefully under a grand on ebay.
I have never tried this amp but I heard they sound awesome.
Do you think it would give me a good Rockabilly sound? I'm not looking for the real setzer sound in detail. Last saturday I played a SSU through a Vox AC 30 with blue bulldogs and really liked the sound I git from it in the store.
I think the bad cat is going in the vix direction.
Do you think it would suit me?

I was talkin with Jim hedrich at the winter Namm about a more fender sound from his amps and he said the only nod toward that is the little deluxe clone they have out. His focus is decidely british ala Vox meets marshall.

Delicious amps, but meant for everything but rockabilly. Smile
Doesnt mean it wont work though.. when I go in the studio I use
a tophat king royale head for some bluesy tracks and chicken pickin
style solo junk and I love the sound with my gretsch. (tophat and badcat are neck n neck competion for the same genre of country meets
the beatles meets acdc and gets booteek snobby..)

If you like the badcat stuff you should give a Tophat Super Deluxe 212
combo a try. My favorite non vintage fender, vox killer. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:29 am

Thanks for your advice TV!
I'm mainly looking for a good clean sound I can beef up with boosts and overdrives if needed.
My main problem is my limited budget. I hope to find an amp best for me for about 1000 Euros. I would prefer a combo but if I get anything good for that price I'll take any other stuff, too.

Here's what I've looked into so far (haven't played all of them):

Blues Deluxe:

+ good price
+ like the sound of it
+ looks awesome Wink
+ it has a drive channel

- made in mexico
- cheap parts and build
- maybe a bit to much wattage

Peavey Classic 30:
mainly the same things as the fender but I didn't like the sound of it that much...

Peavey Delta Blues:
Haven't played it yet, so can't say anything about it.

ENGL Classic:
I like the specs of it, haven't played it yet, though.

Fender SuperSonic:
Too expensive an too loud.

Fender Blues Junior:
Haven't played it.

Vox AC30:
A bit too sterile with my Strat, loved it with the shops SSU, though.
The ones with the blues in it is a bit expensive

VOX AC 15:
Only palyed the cheap one without the blue bulldogs in it but really liked it.


Has anybody any other tips for me?
I'm not afraid to buy clones of anything, I just want a good sound.
Budget is about 1000 Euros retail price in Germany...


Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:50 am

Guitarmaniac wrote:
Thanks for your advice TV!
I'm mainly looking for a good clean sound I can beef up with boosts and overdrives if needed.
My main problem is my limited budget. I hope to find an amp best for me for about 1000 Euros. I would prefer a combo but if I get anything good for that price I'll take any other stuff, too.

Here's what I've looked into so far (haven't played all of them):

Blues Deluxe:

+ good price
+ like the sound of it
+ looks awesome Wink
+ it has a drive channel

- made in mexico
- cheap parts and build
- maybe a bit to much wattage

Peavey Classic 30:
mainly the same things as the fender but I didn't like the sound of it that much...

Peavey Delta Blues:
Haven't played it yet, so can't say anything about it.

ENGL Classic:
I like the specs of it, haven't played it yet, though.

Fender SuperSonic:
Too expensive an too loud.

Fender Blues Junior:
Haven't played it.

Vox AC30:
A bit too sterile with my Strat, loved it with the shops SSU, though.
The ones with the blues in it is a bit expensive

VOX AC 15:
Only palyed the cheap one without the blue bulldogs in it but really liked it.


Has anybody any other tips for me?
I'm not afraid to buy clones of anything, I just want a good sound.
Budget is about 1000 Euros retail price in Germany...


Thanks

I think you have a good ear man, because the strat wants to hear
a fatter low mids and woody upper mids with chime and jangle, not to
much glass... The fender hotrod gets you there but the speakers need to be changed out to really appreciate it.
The AC15 is really great with a speaker change, the stock wharfdale is too dark and woolly.
A friend of mine plays a strat and a duejet. We swapped his AC15 1x12 combo with a celestion vintage 30 and JJ tubes.. that thing is sweet for
$500, reverb and tremelo built in...

the Peavey Classic 30 also needs a speaker swap and is a really good amp for vintage rockabilly..

try the Orange tiny Terror combo that is out. Its sports a V30 speaker
stock and it sounded awesome to me when I tested it with a G&L telecaster... The Ampeg Reverb Rocket also is great off the shelf rockabilly amp...

Its hard to spread out your choices on a limited budget but all those
amps you mentioned (guitar center standards) will work with just a bit
of hotroddin.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:00 am

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Guitarmaniac wrote:
Thanks for your advice TV!
I'm mainly looking for a good clean sound I can beef up with boosts and overdrives if needed.
My main problem is my limited budget. I hope to find an amp best for me for about 1000 Euros. I would prefer a combo but if I get anything good for that price I'll take any other stuff, too.

Here's what I've looked into so far (haven't played all of them):

Blues Deluxe:

+ good price
+ like the sound of it
+ looks awesome Wink
+ it has a drive channel

- made in mexico
- cheap parts and build
- maybe a bit to much wattage

Peavey Classic 30:
mainly the same things as the fender but I didn't like the sound of it that much...

Peavey Delta Blues:
Haven't played it yet, so can't say anything about it.

ENGL Classic:
I like the specs of it, haven't played it yet, though.

Fender SuperSonic:
Too expensive an too loud.

Fender Blues Junior:
Haven't played it.

Vox AC30:
A bit too sterile with my Strat, loved it with the shops SSU, though.
The ones with the blues in it is a bit expensive

VOX AC 15:
Only palyed the cheap one without the blue bulldogs in it but really liked it.


Has anybody any other tips for me?
I'm not afraid to buy clones of anything, I just want a good sound.
Budget is about 1000 Euros retail price in Germany...


Thanks

I think you have a good ear man, because the strat wants to hear
a fatter low mids and woody upper mids with chime and jangle, not to
much glass... The fender hotrod gets you there but the speakers need to be changed out to really appreciate it.
The AC15 is really great with a speaker change, the stock wharfdale is too dark and woolly.
A friend of mine plays a strat and a duejet. We swapped his AC15 1x12 combo with a celestion vintage 30 and JJ tubes.. that thing is sweet for
$500, reverb and tremelo built in...

the Peavey Classic 30 also needs a speaker swap and is a really good amp for vintage rockabilly..

try the Orange tiny Terror combo that is out. Its sports a V30 speaker
stock and it sounded awesome to me when I tested it with a G&L telecaster... The Ampeg Reverb Rocket also is great off the shelf rockabilly amp...

Its hard to spread out your choices on a limited budget but all those
amps you mentioned (guitar center standards) will work with just a bit
of hotroddin.

At Thomann (biggest German music shop) there's a AC 15 CC1X with a Blue Bulldog for 800 Euros.
I think I should go there and try it out some time.

I also thought about buying the Blues Deluxe and putting a Vintage 30 in it, would that get me in the direction I want?
I figure it has enough clean headroom for vintage Rockabilly and also an ok drive channel for more modern stuff. I might aswell change the tubes and buy a nocturne so I'll get the Setzer sound also =)

Thanks for all your help Tavo!!!


Greetings
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:55 am

hey Chris, there's no mistake a blues jr with a V30 is a safe bet for
a good rockabilly sound.. but if you can have that AC15 with a celestion
blue alnico (not the "bulldog" labeled ceramic blue) you have a really
really nice match for a stratocaster or tele... Buddy Holly, Hank Marvin, Jr Brown, the Blasters all the way to SRV the Edge are laying wait in that amp..

I would get the fender amp though if you are going to use a semi or hollow body... just my opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:13 am

You hit the nail on the head my friend!
I will, as soon as I get the money together, buy the holy grail of guitars (at least for me^^), the SSLVO.
So thanks for all your help.
I'll try the Blues Junior and also the Blues Deluxe and then decide which one to buy and I'll mod the hell out of them^^




Greetings from Munich
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:01 pm

Guitarmaniac wrote:
You hit the nail on the head my friend!
I will, as soon as I get the money together, buy the holy grail of guitars (at least for me^^), the SSLVO.
So thanks for all your help.
I'll try the Blues Junior and also the Blues Deluxe and then decide which one to buy and I'll mod the hell out of them^^




Greetings from Munich
Chris


The SSLVO is the holy grail of guitars in my opinion too, Gretsch outdid themselves... its only competion is the 6120RRH. The rev horton model is non trestled and uses the tone post.. same specs throughout other than the larger western peghead
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:07 pm

I certainly like the idea of a non tresteled Guitar but I just can't go with the G Brand western stuff.
I really love all the Setzer Signature models, the Hotrods are cool but not what I'm looking for, a bit too harsh for me. Same goes for the Black Phoenix, great looks, but not my sound...
And I also love the mud switch on the regular Setzers...
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:43 pm

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I certainly like the idea of a non tresteled Guitar but I just can't go with the G Brand western stuff.
I really love all the Setzer Signature models, the Hotrods are cool but not what I'm looking for, a bit too harsh for me. Same goes for the Black Phoenix, great looks, but not my sound...
And I also love the mud switch on the regular Setzers...

mud switch is cool if you use overdrive, distortion or fuzz..but its
limiting. I in its stead installed a 500K push/pull tone pot with an
.05 cap. When in down position there is no tone circuit in the
amp... pull up and I have a full function tone control for jazzy stuff, smoothing out heavy overdrive ala "woman tone" and then its
THE necessity for a great fuzz like the Fulltone soulbender or
Swollen pickle fuzz ( smashing pumpkins thing)

..although most of the time I engage the tone control to balance the highs if I am doing a song with my barber burn unit on..mostly to
comp the Rev horton rage of a sweltering fender deluxe and his
nasty Bluesdriver sound... "ITS A PSYCHOBILLY FREAKOUT"
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:00 pm

I have an Electro Harmonix Double Muff, the best Fuzz thingy I've ever tried, and believe me, I tried every single one I could find in munich lol!
I once was a real John Frusciante maniac and wanted to get as close to his sound as possible. Pretty impossible with that kind of a pedal board:

1. MoogerFooger Expressionpedale
2. MXR Micro Amp
3. ElectroHarmonix BIG MUFF
4. Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion
5. ElectroHarmonix Small Stone
6. Ibanez WH-10
7. ElectroHarmonix Holy Grail
8. Moog Phaser MF-103
9. Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1
10. Moog Controll Processor
11. Boss FV-50 Pedal [
12. Line6 DL-4
13. ElectroHarmonix Electric Mistress
14. Digitech PDS-1002
15. Guyatone VT-X
16. Line6 FM-4
17. Mehrere Mooger
2x Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
2x Moog MuRF MF-105
Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
Moog Ring Mod MF-102
18. Stage Monitor

So I just endet up buying the double muff^^
I also own a Blues Driver, pretty cool pedal, really like its sound.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:27 pm

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1. MoogerFooger Expressionpedale
2. MXR Micro Amp
3. ElectroHarmonix BIG MUFF
4. Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion
5. ElectroHarmonix Small Stone
6. Ibanez WH-10
7. ElectroHarmonix Holy Grail
8. Moog Phaser MF-103
9. Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1
10. Moog Controll Processor
11. Boss FV-50 Pedal [
12. Line6 DL-4
13. ElectroHarmonix Electric Mistress
14. Digitech PDS-1002
15. Guyatone VT-X
16. Line6 FM-4
17. Mehrere Mooger
2x Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
2x Moog MuRF MF-105
Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
Moog Ring Mod MF-102
18. Stage Monitor

So I just endet up buying the double muff^^
I also own a Blues Driver, pretty cool pedal, really like its sound.

awesome picture.. pretty exciting to hear youre a Frusciante Fan.. RHCP's introduced me to Jimi Hendrix and P-funk.. I was a nut job
for what Slovak and Frusciante did in the context of playing against
the insane bass riffing of Flea.

I still havent lost my love for the strat, but sadly its rarely played in liu of my Gretsch. I think RHCP was a great tangent for me along with hendrix, Pink Floyd and U2 when setzer got a bad case of the late 80's early 90's mullet pop..

maybe we should start a thread on Wah pedals..been modding those baby's since I first heard the wailing scream and wacka wacka of
"higher ground"
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:33 pm

If you have any questions about Frusciante's sound, let me know, I think I can answer most of them^^
Have you heard any of his solo stuff. Some Records are kinda disturbing because of the drugs he took while recording them but others are really good. He has been drifting of in to some kind of experimental phase lately and I think he somehow has lost the funk groove he used to have.
Watch some videos from the 07 tour, close you're eyes and you're in Hendrix land ;-)
I still love the Wah sound of the WH10.
Again, don't hesitate to ask anything about it, I learned so much about Setzer's sound from you, I hope I can give you some knowledge aswell...
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:55 pm

Guitarmaniac wrote:
I have an Electro Harmonix Double Muff, the best Fuzz thingy I've ever tried, and believe me, I tried every single one I could find in munich lol!
I once was a real John Frusciante maniac and wanted to get as close to his sound as possible. Pretty impossible with that kind of a pedal board:

1. MoogerFooger Expressionpedale
2. MXR Micro Amp
3. ElectroHarmonix BIG MUFF
4. Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion
5. ElectroHarmonix Small Stone
6. Ibanez WH-10
7. ElectroHarmonix Holy Grail
8. Moog Phaser MF-103
9. Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1
10. Moog Controll Processor
11. Boss FV-50 Pedal [
12. Line6 DL-4
13. ElectroHarmonix Electric Mistress
14. Digitech PDS-1002
15. Guyatone VT-X
16. Line6 FM-4
17. Mehrere Mooger
2x Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
2x Moog MuRF MF-105
Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
Moog Ring Mod MF-102
18. Stage Monitor

So I just endet up buying the double muff^^
I also own a Blues Driver, pretty cool pedal, really like its sound.


I see you have the HOLY GRAIL. I am getting in to playing some surf stuff. Is the holy grail a good reverb unit? I have heard some great things about it, but I'm not sure how it compares (budget wise) to the 63 Fender reissue tank. Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:06 pm

Bobby Retro wrote:
Guitarmaniac wrote:
I have an Electro Harmonix Double Muff, the best Fuzz thingy I've ever tried, and believe me, I tried every single one I could find in munich lol!
I once was a real John Frusciante maniac and wanted to get as close to his sound as possible. Pretty impossible with that kind of a pedal board:

1. MoogerFooger Expressionpedale
2. MXR Micro Amp
3. ElectroHarmonix BIG MUFF
4. Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion
5. ElectroHarmonix Small Stone
6. Ibanez WH-10
7. ElectroHarmonix Holy Grail
8. Moog Phaser MF-103
9. Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1
10. Moog Controll Processor
11. Boss FV-50 Pedal [
12. Line6 DL-4
13. ElectroHarmonix Electric Mistress
14. Digitech PDS-1002
15. Guyatone VT-X
16. Line6 FM-4
17. Mehrere Mooger
2x Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
2x Moog MuRF MF-105
Moog Low Pass Filter MF-101
Moog Ring Mod MF-102
18. Stage Monitor

So I just endet up buying the double muff^^
I also own a Blues Driver, pretty cool pedal, really like its sound.


I see you have the HOLY GRAIL. I am getting in to playing some surf stuff. Is the holy grail a good reverb unit? I have heard some great things about it, but I'm not sure how it compares (budget wise) to the 63 Fender reissue tank. Any thoughts?

thats John Frusciante's rig Smile
but for what its worth.. the holy grail is an okay digital echo...no
comparison to a real fender tube spring reverb tank... but it does the
job. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:08 pm

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I would get the fender amp though if you are going to use a semi or hollow body... just my opinion

I agree Very Happy

Tried a Peavey Classic 30 a while back, wasn't overly impressed.....

I use a Fender Deluxe Reverb, changed the tubes to JJ's and put a Weber speaker in it, great rockabilly tone. Only 22 watts but plenty loud!
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:10 pm

Glad you like the JJ's...those JJ 6V6's are really nice for reissue tubes.. I pulled out my RCA and drop a duo
of the JJ in with a NOS USA 5U4G rectifier tube. perfect for this 70's Silverface Princeton Reverb!!

As an experiment I swapped in a 12AT7 for V=1 and man the amp cleaned up for the gretsch
BIG time.. give it a try.. it drops the gain almost 50% on the input but the big bark and womp
of the filtertrons punches in for a spanky twanger of a time in these little amps.

ps. the reissue small bottle tungsol 5881 can only handle up to 400volts and give out about 23 watts each
which make them perfect for swapping into princeton and deluxe reverb amps with the addition of
a solid state tube rectifier plug. great for a tighter fatter sound .... but the JJ's and NOS tube rectifier
really make your amp do its thing the best for rockabilly (for blues the phillips and rca 6L6s are on the money)... If I could just afford a set of RCA 12AX7s now for the preamp...MMhhhh!
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:02 am

..
Guitarmaniac wrote:
If you have any questions about Frusciante's sound, let me know, I think I can answer most of them^^
Have
you heard any of his solo stuff. Some Records are kinda disturbing
because of the drugs he took while recording them but others are really
good. He has been drifting of in to some kind of experimental phase
lately and I think he somehow has lost the funk groove he used to have.
Watch some videos from the 07 tour, close you're eyes and you're in Hendrix land ;-)
I still love the Wah sound of the WH10.
Again,
don't hesitate to ask anything about it, I learned so much about
Setzer's sound from you, I hope I can give you some knowledge
aswell...

cool... You need to know that mr. old skool here was rockin the
Freaky Styley Cassette back in the mid 80's at age 20! ancient I tell you...sigh.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:06 am

lol! You look like vintage Chad Smith in your avatar, totally pulling it off^^
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:16 am

[quote="tvthewiredturtle]

cool... You need to know that mr. old skool here was rockin the
Freaky Styley Cassette back in the mid 80's at age 20! ancient I tell you...sigh.

[/quote]

Did Frusciante play guitar on this record?

Saw these guys in the mid 80ies (with no nameable memories)

and for about 2 years (or 3) in Hamburg.
The Band played good and the guitar sound was amazing.
But didn`t like the show so much. Not very personal.

I was backstage but i didn`t saw his rig...wow.
what a board!

and back to topic: use a fender amp, the Blues deluxe with a new Speaker is cool. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:39 am

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lol! You look like vintage Chad Smith in your avatar, totally pulling it off^^

sssssshh its not suppose to be me, the kids were crackin up cuz I put on a blonde beatles wig and called myself the chinese maverick..too funny.


brett,
Hillel Slovak was on that album (jack sherman was a one timer on the
previous self titled 84 album) that George Clinton produced and
on the next Uplift mojo party plan as well as the abbey road ep.
He overdosed and died that yr in 88'..

the amazing frusciante took over after that.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:24 am

Frusciante's Guitarwork is just amazing. His playing is still a huge influence on me...
During his first RHCP album Mother's Milk he mainly played some Ibanez guitar and a Fender Strat through Mesa/Boogies, for the tour he started using Marshalls.
Eversince Blood Sugar Sex Magik his Amp Setup was like this:
- One Marshall Fullstack for crunch (today its the Silver Jubilee 2550)
- One Marshall Fullstack for clean (it's a Marshall Major nowadays)
Those two are both run through at the same time.
For Humbucker equipped guitars like his White Falcon he has another Silver Jubilee Fulsstack.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:54 am

Guitarmaniac wrote:
Frusciante's Guitarwork is just amazing. His playing is still a huge influence on me...
During his first RHCP album Mother's Milk he mainly played some Ibanez guitar and a Fender Strat through Mesa/Boogies, for the tour he started using Marshalls.
Eversince Blood Sugar Sex Magik his Amp Setup was like this:
- One Marshall Fullstack for crunch (today its the Silver Jubilee 2550)
- One Marshall Fullstack for clean (it's a Marshall Major nowadays)
Those two are both run through at the same time.
For Humbucker equipped guitars like his White Falcon he has another Silver Jubilee Fulsstack.


hmmm.. I was of the understanding that his californication tour rig was this though:
This is Frusciante's pedalboard (below) for the Californication tour. Left to Right: A Boss CE-1 Chorus Ensemble, an Ibanez WH-10 wah (discontinued, the only wah john will use), an MXR Phase 90, Boss FZ-3 Fuzz and a Boss DS-2 Turbo Distortion. On the second year of the tour, John replaced the FZ-3 with an Electro Harmonix Big Muff Pi Sovtek re-issue. A completely different rig was employed for the songs "Otherside" and "Californication". John's White Falcon went thru a Boss DS-1 and then into a Fender Showman head driving two Marshall 4x12 cabs. After his guitars hit the pedalboard, they are split with the stereo signal from the CE-1 between a Marshall Jubilee 25/50 head driving two Marshall 4x12's and a Marshall Major 200w head driving two more 4x12's.



of course then there are pictures like this (nips time)


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PostSubject: Re: Bad Cat Club II   Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:20 am

Yeah, you're right, during Californication he used the Fender Top. You can see it on the DVD "Off the Map".
In the last picture you posted you can see the Fender Tube Reverb he used for some time...
He changes his fuzz pedals all the time
Here's some of the stuff he used over the time:
- Mosrite Fuzzrite
- Big Muff Pi (USA)
- Big Muff (Russia)
- English Muff'n
- Z.Vex Fuzz Factory
- and the Boss Fuzz
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