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PostSubject: Paine Bros   Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:41 pm

Does anybody know what tracks Brian played on , on the 1992 Paine brothers album "Honky Tonk Hell" ?
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:50 pm

Mate,
he played most of the tracks; the only 2 I think he didn't play were Round About Way & All Or Nothing Love

In some websites, Setzer has been credited only for She Thinks I'm Trash & Rebelene, as he co-wrote those two tracks, but you can perfectly recognize him in most of the songs.

Besides, the LP version to Honky Tonk Hell comes with 3 extra songs:
From The Bottle To The Top
Red Neck Mama
How Come My Dog Don't Bark When You Come Around

And I think that "le Setz" is on them too.

I'll post all the Setzer guest album apperances in detail asap.
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:18 pm

IMO, the only song on that album where it actually sounds like Brian's playing, is "Honky Tonk Hell". The other songs just don't have... erhmm... THAT guitar sound... but I could be wrong.

Then again, I only have the CD, so I don't know about the vinyl bonus tracks.


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:47 pm

Gretscholic,
listen carefully, honestly. You can recognize Brian on "Just A Rock Song", "Honey Make A Beeline" for sure as they sound very Setzer, and as for the rest, I'm sure he's on most of them, those song have that Setzer twang.

I remember when most of us were wondering on what track Setzer had played on Bob Geldof's album "Deep In The Heart Of Nowhere" and I listened the album over and over, specially because that collaboration was in 1986 during The Knife period, when Setzer did not sound as we are accostumed to, but I discovered the track by paying attention to his twang, and that song is "Pulled Apart By Horses"

As I said, I'll post all those album guest appearances in full detail asap
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:14 am

JP ,You're wrong about the Bob Geldof album. Brian plays guitar on the track ," In The Pouring Rain". And it sounds quiet nice too. The only good track really,on that album.
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:23 am

Are you sure he plays "In The Pouring Rain"??
I considered that one too but that doesn't sound very Setzer to me.
Where did you get that information?? I've surfed the internet for hours without a clear response...

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I'm listening to that song in youtube as I don't have Geldof's CD any more... what is Setzer doing? The riff that is in the intro and follows up til the end, basically, like the rhythm pattern, song motive etc, is it him, Vincent?? As I said, I considered this song too... but there was somethin characteristic on "Pulled Apart..."
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:10 am

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Gretscholic,
listen carefully, honestly. You can recognize Brian on "Just A Rock Song", "Honey Make A Beeline" for sure as they sound very Setzer, and as for the rest, I'm sure he's on most of them, those song have that Setzer twang.

I've just listened to the album again, and I still don't think Brian played on more than the title track... Try to compare the guitar sound on "Honky Tonk Hell" with the ones you mentioned. Believe me, I've been listening to his riffs and sound since before you were born (and I'm saying that in the LEAST POSSIBLE patronizing way Laughing ), and IMO the rest of the songs don't have that "Setzer twang". However, he may be the one playing the 12-string on "She thinks I'm trash". That riff has sort-of a "Knife..."-vibe. But we won't know for sure untill someone who knows tells us, huh?

Hey Brian, if you're lurking this forum, why don't you (or Niels) tell us, huh? Wink


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:35 am

And I still need the LP for my collection if anybody wants to sell Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:39 am

Yeh, I'm looking for that LP too but in the meantime I make do with the 3 songs not included.

Grestcholic, in an interview in Japan back in 1992, he was asked whether he played in more songs apart from Rebele & She Thinks I'm Trash and he answered he played in quite a few of them, though he never said any tittles.
That "twang" I mention can be easily heard (at least IMO) in Honey Make A Beeline, Just A Rock Song, Tonya Jean... and a good reason for Setzer recording those tunes was that he played those songs live with the Paines in 1987, when he did some shows with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:40 am

I must be one of the hardest LP's to find with Setzer, but I'm not giving up Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:51 am

Back to the Geldof album for a minute. The only time I recall Brian responding to a question about that album, even he didn't remember which track it was. At that time a discussion ensued, and I was sure "Pulled Apart By Horses" was the consensus at that time.

I guess for now, it remains a mystery.

At those 1987 Palomino shows, Setzer sits in for the entire set, where they play:

Honey Make A Beeline*
Don't Sell My Daddy No More Whiskey*
Don't Treat Me Like a Dog (Love This Cat)*
Twenty Flight Rock
Redneck Mama+
Roundabout Way*
Rolling Gambler
Flying Saucers Rock-n-Roll
Rebelene*
I'll Make the Money, You Make the Love
Marie's the Name (Of His Latest Flame)
She Ain't No Angel
Drip Dry
Summertime Blues
Shake This Shack

And 3 months later, many of the same tunes, plus:

How Come My Dog Don't Bark When You Come Around?+
I Got Stung
Tonya Jean*
From the Bottle to the Top+
Somethin' Else
Gina (The original version!)

* = songs which appear on Honky Tonk Hell CD & vinyl
+ = songs which appear on Honky Tonk Hell vinyl only

It doesn't necessarily prove Brian played on these same songs in the studio just because he sat in with them shortly before they recorded them, but it's not out of the question to think that he played on more than just a couple of tracks. I wonder if anyone has access to Larson or Bobby Paine these days? Surely they would remember the details better than anyone.

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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:57 am

I should've bought several copies of the vinyl when I found it in the bins! Oh well..........

Now, not having heard these tracks in many, many years, what I will suggest is that you consider the possibility of the Paine tracks being recorded over several sessions, probably at different studios with more than one engineer. I say this because I vaguely recall "Honky Tonk Hell" having a different production sound to it. Again, I haven't heard the tracks in a long time, but yes, Setzer did sit in with the band on many occasions in the L.A. area, playing full sets and taking the mic on 3 or 4 songs each night, over a span of many months. He was a de facto band member, as far as we in the audience were concerned. Another thing to consider is the LP, issued prior to and independent of the cd with 3 additional tracks on it. I think a case can be made for Brian appearing on most of the tracks.

Anybody got any live recordings of Brian Paine??

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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:42 am

I give up Laughing

Still listening to the album... Of course Brian might be "hiding" in the background on most of the tracks, but the only track (again - just my opinion) where you can DEFINITELY tell it's Brian on guitar, is "Honky Tonk Hell". "Honey make a beeline" has a somewhat "gretschy" sound, but there's something un-Setzer-ish (nice new word, huh?) about the playing, especially about the way he uses the tremolo bar on the last chord.

It would be interesting to compare the Paine Bros' live versions (with Brian) to the versions on the album. Does anybody have live recordings from those shows?


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:57 am

Heya Anders,
I agree with Scatman in everything and to asnwer your latest question, yes, I have 2 shows of the Paines with Brian on them.
Comparing them to the studio album, I would certainly say that Brian is at least in: Rebelene, Honey Make A Beeline, Tonya Jean, You're Looking Good and Honky Tonk Hell (* Anders, note that Brian says "Oh yeah" when the song is fading out!)

In what concerns those 3 tracks exclusively on the LP version, I'm listening to them as I have them stored in my PC, I think he's only on How Come My Dog.

I've had a listening to the whole album today and uh, to my surprise, Setzer might be in less songs than I actually thought but he is on quite a few.

And as far as what concers Bob Geldof... I've been trying to solve the mystery with Scatman for ages and as it's been said here, Pulled Apart By Horses was what most of us thought at that moment; That vibrato thing going during the verse makes us think that it's him.
Now, Vincent Blackshadow said that Le Setz is on In The Pouring Rain. I've considered this possibility too, it does also have some Setzer style in it.

I still remember that question posed in one of those Q&A... and if Setzer doesn't even remember in what track he played... excuse me Setzer, but, you could have looked at the album tittles... It's for sure not his best album guest appearance (most of his collaborations has nothing to do with rockabilly style) but yeeeh, a bit of interest would have been very much appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:05 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:06 pm

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I still remember that question posed in one of those Q&A... and if Setzer doesn't even remember in what track he played... excuse me Setzer, but, you could have looked at the album tittles... It's for sure not his best album guest appearance (most of his collaborations has nothing to do with rockabilly style) but yeeeh, a bit of interest would have been very much appreciated.


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:50 pm

Hey David,
I remember seeing that picture.. Anny Lennox and the guy next to her look more like 2 porn actors rather than musicians... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:25 am

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Heya Anders,
I agree with Scatman in everything and to asnwer your latest question, yes, I have 2 shows of the Paines with Brian on them.

Wanna share? Like, convince me...? Laughing

Slim Jon Phantom wrote:
Comparing them to the studio album, I would certainly say that Brian is at least in: Rebelene, Honey Make A Beeline, Tonya Jean, You're Looking Good and Honky Tonk Hell (* Anders, note that Brian says "Oh yeah" when the song is fading out!)

I never doubted he was on Honky Tonk Hell... Wink

With the possibillity of beating a dead horse, Brian's playing on his own version of "Rebelene" is so different from the Paine Brothers' version, that I can't "hear" him on the PB recording. But of course, he might be playing different on purpose Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:02 am

gretschoholic wrote:
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I never doubted he was on Honky Tonk Hell... Wink

With the possibillity of beating a dead horse, Brian's playing on his own version of "Rebelene" is so different from the Paine Brothers' version, that I can't "hear" him on the PB recording. But of course, he might be playing different on purpose Wink

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i`m with you,
i have only recognize him on "Honky Tonk Hell"
Rebelene is a complete different guitar than in the original tune.
But the whole mix is weird, maybe his guitar is hidden somewhere... Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:14 am

Brett wrote:
i`m with you,
i have only recognize him on "Honky Tonk Hell"
Rebelene is a complete different guitar than in the original tune.
But the whole mix is weird, maybe his guitar is hidden somewhere... Rolling Eyes

Thank you! Smile

We NEED to hear those live versions. Jon...? Anyone...? bounce bounce Wink


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:35 pm

Those live versions have very little to do with the studio recordings but for sure Brian is on Rebelene. As I am not a guitar player nor I don't know the correct terminology to put my argument through, I don't know how to explain for you to recognize Setzer in Rebelene, Tonja Jean or Honey Make A Beeline... but he's there for sure!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:58 am

Slim Jon Phantom wrote:
Those live versions have very little to do with the studio recordings

You're just saying that cos you don't wanna share them.. Laughing

Anyway, the fact that Brian did those songs live with the PB doesn't necessarily mean he's on the album.


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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:46 am

Right Anders,
as well as you say that the fact that Brain played live those songs, doesn't necesarily mean that Setzer recoreded them, for sure, but the fact taht I am saying that the live recording doesn't have anything to do with the studio recordings doesn't mean either that I don't want to share them.

In fact, I find it very rude from your side saying that and put a smily face and it should be me the one saying "hey folks, I'm going to upload them somewhere on the net".

I think that Brian is on Rebelene, Honey Make A Beeline, Tonja Jean and Honky Tonk Hell.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, and he's just on Honky Tonk Hell.

Anyway, believe what you want
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:24 am

Slim Jon Phantom wrote:
In fact, I find it very rude from your side saying that and put a smily face and it should be me the one saying "hey folks, I'm going to upload them somewhere on the net".

RUDE? C'mon.... Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Paine Bros   Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:06 am

If somebody can read Japanese...

http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~shibby/brian_setzer_solo/honky_tonk.htm

Here we might have some clues about the "Honky Tonk Hell" mystery...
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