update on the NOCTURNE..those keeping score

I'm Incinerator · Posts: 112 Join date: 2009-01-27

sounds like a tone enhancer from hell...I'd be interested in one.

mjcodina · Posts: 79 Join date: 2008-09-23

oh my gosh im getting so stoked on this thing TV. ill definately take one of those. ive been looking for a little boost in my sound

tvthewiredturtle · Posts: 1763 Join date: 2008-04-20 Age: 95 Location: so cal.

mjcodina wrote:

oh my gosh im getting so stoked on this thing TV. ill definately take one of those. ive been looking for a little boost in my sound

cool man..just remember that the word "boost" aint in the vocab with
this pedal. Smile

I know, its semantics but the world doesnt need another
boost pedal... although the rockabilly and country world DOES need
a vintage guitar preamp in a box between their guitar and amp!
We use mic pre's to get our sound from the mic to the P.A. and we use
mic pre's to let the mic hear our guitar rigs for the recording.. so we
CAN use a pre amp to make our amps hear our guitar's wood,steel and
pkups better... Setzer found it with a behemoth box atop his amp, I'm gonna try to put it on the floor at our feet!

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mjcodina · Posts: 79 Join date: 2008-09-23

Oh yeah i knew that Smile

i dont know jack about the electronics part of guitars and amps jsut play them. the majority of what i know comes from reading you guys talk about it. haha. but i cant wait to hear and see this thing (with how you describe it lookin).

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

mjcodina wrote:

oh my gosh im getting so stoked on this thing TV. ill definately take one of those. ive been looking for a little boost in my sound

cool man..just remember that the word "boost" aint in the vocab with
this pedal. Smile

I know, its semantics but the world doesnt need another
boost pedal... although the rockabilly and country world DOES need
a vintage guitar preamp in a box between their guitar and amp!
We use mic pre's to get our sound from the mic to the P.A. and we use
mic pre's to let the mic hear our guitar rigs for the recording.. so we
CAN use a pre amp to make our amps hear our guitar's wood,steel and
pkups better... Setzer found it with a behemoth box atop his amp, I'm gonna try to put it on the floor at our feet!

nietsk · Posts: 98 Join date: 2008-09-05

How is the progress?? Any pictures yet?

Is it in one of the boxes seen on 2.26 in this clip??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CRfnT45Ufw&feature=related

tvthewiredturtle · Posts: 1763 Join date: 2008-04-20 Age: 95 Location: so cal.

nietsk wrote:

How is the progress?? Any pictures yet?

Is it in one of the boxes seen on 2.26 in this clip??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CRfnT45Ufw&feature=related

No pictures yet. I will most likely have a video demonstrating it with
a few amps.

re cats:
setzer's video show's him using both his reverb tank and re301, but you cant tell if he's got both on or just the space echo.
The fender reverb unit is all tube and gives a bit of warm punch to your front end but its really insignificant to what the RE-301 brings to the table regarding pre-amp gain.

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ruger9 · Posts: 202 Join date: 2008-05-28

Just found this over at GDP, thought it was relevant to the Nocturne discussion:

BillyZoom:
Brian has 60' cords. It doesn't roll off treble because he plugs into a Space Echo that has a 20K input impedance. Normally, you can't use a 60' cord or plug a guitar straight into a Space Echo, but the combination works because the two factors cancel each other out. Using the Space Echo to transform inpedances also makes the FilterTrons sound better through the Bassman than they should. Space echos normally suck with guitar, which is why people do the FET input mod on them.

tvthewiredturtle · Posts: 1763 Join date: 2008-04-20 Age: 95 Location: so cal.

ruger9 wrote:

Just found this over at GDP, thought it was relevant to the Nocturne discussion:

BillyZoom:
Brian has 60' cords. It doesn't roll off treble because he plugs into a Space Echo that has a 20K input impedance. Normally, you can't use a 60' cord or plug a guitar straight into a Space Echo, but the combination works because the two factors cancel each other out. Using the Space Echo to transform inpedances also makes the FilterTrons sound better through the Bassman than they should. Space echos normally suck with guitar, which is why people do the FET input mod on them.

zooms story changes Smile

last time the cord was 50ft. gotta love it!

nocturn will have input imp. selector!

btw.. setzer doesnt record with a 50ft(60ftnow) cable let alone a space echo (yes for dirty boogie, echoplex on most others) hmmm...
damn those magic fingers, ribbon mics, and recording console mojo!
Hope this pedal gets us there!

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ossi · Posts: 63 Join date: 2008-11-21

With your knowledge on these things, im confident that it will be a blast.

Can't wait to hear it!

Laughing

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Nikko · Posts: 37 Join date: 2008-04-18 Location: St. Louis

50' to 60' doesn't matter. They just have to be red.

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I'm Incinerator · Posts: 112 Join date: 2009-01-27

I think I may have 50'-60' of cable if you add all of my cables up. I usually go for the 10'-15'...and mine are black.

What a Face

ruger9 · Posts: 202 Join date: 2008-05-28

so does the 301 change the guitar impedence from high to low, or vica versa, or what?

I'm using an adjustable buffer right now that has a "drag" control for variable adjustability of the impedence... Radial Bigshot PB-1... if I turn this down, is it similar to what the 301 is doing? I know if I turn it down, it "dulls" the signal... especially the high end... somewhat, sort of like going thru a pedal with a crappy buffer (like my beloved Dan-Echo). If I crank it up, I can get the same sound as plugging straight into the amp, even after going thru 8-10 pedals. And If I use the buffer alone & crank it up, it ADDS high end.

" Drag™ control, a variable load correction circuit that lets you dial in the perfect impedance to match the original tone and feel of your guitar and amp combination"

http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-pb1.htm

tvthewiredturtle · Posts: 1763 Join date: 2008-04-20 Age: 95 Location: so cal.

ruger9 wrote:

so does the 301 change the guitar impedence from high to low, or vica versa, or what?

I'm using an adjustable buffer right now that has a "drag" control for variable adjustability of the impedence... Radial Bigshot PB-1... if I turn this down, is it similar to what the 301 is doing? I know if I turn it down, it "dulls" the signal... especially the high end... somewhat, sort of like going thru a pedal with a crappy buffer (like my beloved Dan-Echo). If I crank it up, I can get the same sound as plugging straight into the amp, even after going thru 8-10 pedals. And If I use the buffer alone & crank it up, it ADDS high end.

" Drag™ control, a variable load correction circuit that lets you dial in the perfect impedance to match the original tone and feel of your guitar and amp combination"

http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-pb1.htm

I dont want to say sh%t either way about how what works and why, until I have this pedal done... Just know its not that big of a mystery,but I'm afraid of crosss posting over at grinch pages plus
billy is about to put out a series of amps and pedals.

I'm not trying to or implying that I "know" the "know"... I share this:

The lower the output impedance and the higher the input impedance, the more aggressive in the mids and highs the signal is going to tend to be. This is due to inductive and capacitive reactance.

Inductive and capacitive reactance is the reason that long guitar cables suck tone. The longer the cable, the greater the apparent output impedance of the guitar, the lower the ratio between input and output impedance, and therefore the duller the signal tends to be..

A guitar tends to be a high impedance input into a preamp, but filtertrons are different animals when it comes to "inductors"...add the
long cables and you are creating what is mentioned above.

the re-301 input 3 is a high Z input, that has variable resistance input settings. ...BUT because of the component values, choice of opamps,caps,etc.. IT becomes a unique preamp...

very different from say my LR BAGGS CLASS A PREAMP that when bypassing the EQ is doing the same nice job your PB-1 is...
Problem is (but not a problem at the same time) this design is FAR too
clinical.

ITs like an engineer taking a Mic (an inductor) and amplifying it with
say a "GRACE 201" preamp. Very transparent and VERY clinical... I guess they call it "uncolored".. Thats what my LR BAGGS "preamp section" will do well.
Do that same thing with say a UA 610, Joe Meek, or even my vintech
1272 mic pre and it would instantly be called "colored" because it instills a signature sound with distinct EQ spectral artifacts, for lack of better words.

The 301 is doing just that as a mic pre for a specific guitars "inductors" or pkups.

my conjecture, my madness and hopefully soon, my creation for your
guitar rig. if it all works out right.

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ruger9 · Posts: 202 Join date: 2008-05-28

Thanks for the explanation Tavo. I totally get the "clinical" thing. When you are going thru alot of pedals you WANT "clinical", it serves it's exact purpose in that application. But we're talking TONE here with the Nocturne. We WANT a certain "coloration." Because we are Setzer freaks. Shocked

I knew BZ was coming out with some amps (the demos sound fantastic, BTW), but I didn't know he was also coming out with pedals...

ricky · Posts: 8 Join date: 2009-02-07

HELLO FRIEND
you speak about a pedale stompbox which imitates the slap back of brian to setzer? hihhi you also make a delivery for the France?
ELVIS
ps
think of you that brian setzer in his young years used an analogique delay boss?