Roland Space Echo

Alright....I know it's on here somewhere but what again are Brian's settings on his space echo? I just got one and I'll be darned if I can't find that thread...TV? Davy Jones? Help?

Brent

Brent wrote:

Alright....I know it's on here somewhere but what again are Brian's settings on his space echo? I just got one and I'll be darned if I can't find that thread...TV? Davy Jones? Help?

Brent

sure man..
setzers re-301 settings:

Roland 301 Chorus Echo

- direct sig. - ON

- input #3

- volume - 4

- level -35dB

- chorus off, intensity - 0

- echo - ON

- mode 1 (2 for Sleepwalk)

- volume - 3.5

- repeat rate - 2.5

- intensity - 2.5

- switch on ECHO (not single delay)

- reverb - 0

- bass tone - 5

- treble tone - 5

- output level -25dB

This is a Picture that I took at the Straycats Farewell-tour Gig in Koln.




Hope this helps

Paul

slightly different settings for straycats...hmmm

Brent,

This be' basically the same as TV's list, maybe a half a number off in some cases, but just for completeness, here's the one I put up before:


Roland Chorus Echo (same as Space Echo just with Chorus, not taking into account the pre-amp.)

(all settings assume the first line is "0", straight up is "5"
- direct sig. - ON
- input #3 (input #1 for stereo applications)
- volume - 4 to 4.5
- level -35dB
- chorus off
- intensity (not used)
- echo - ON
- mode 1 (3 for Sleepwalk)
- volume - 3 to 3.5
- repeat rate - 2
- intensity - 2
- switch on ECHO (not single delay)
- reverb - 0 (not used)
- bass tone - 5
- treble tone - 5
- output level -25dB

Hope that be of some help to ye.

Capt. Jones

P.S. TV, I wonder if the slight difference in Stray Cats vs. BSO settings was his way of trying to approach his earlier tone clip with the Cats where the amp was louder and perhaps more trebly, than with the BSO; as it seems to me that with the output level being at high and some of the input and echo volumes up, that he's favoring the higher frequencies? Maybe it's just a byproduct of not having all those horns in there as well.

Davy Jones wrote:

Brent,

This be' basically the same as TV's list, maybe a half a number off in some cases, but just for completeness, here's the one I put up before:


Roland Chorus Echo (same as Space Echo just with Chorus, not taking into account the pre-amp.)

(all settings assume the first line is "0", straight up is "5"
- direct sig. - ON
- input #3 (input #1 for stereo applications)
- volume - 4 to 4.5
- level -35dB
- chorus off
- intensity (not used)
- echo - ON
- mode 1 (3 for Sleepwalk)
- volume - 3 to 3.5
- repeat rate - 2
- intensity - 2
- switch on ECHO (not single delay)
- reverb - 0 (not used)
- bass tone - 5
- treble tone - 5
- output level -25dB

Hope that be of some help to ye.

Capt. Jones

P.S. TV, I wonder if the slight difference in Stray Cats vs. BSO settings was his way of trying to approach his earlier tone clip with the Cats where the amp was louder and perhaps more trebly, than with the BSO; as it seems to me that with the output level being at high and some of the input and echo volumes up, that he's favoring the higher frequencies? Maybe it's just a byproduct of not having all those horns in there as well.

FWIW; In the RE-301, the tone controls only affect the tape delay circuit and not the preamp or recovery.

btw.. were the hearing protectors for the ol' cats ears a newish thing for him right at that season of the reunion?
He was suffering from some severe tinnitus around then I believe... if that was indeed when he got em, then it would
make sense to brighten things up to compensate?
This damn tinnitus thing just happened to my ol pops. He's 65 and spent most of his life in construction, plus had to step down from his Fender twin to a Blues Junior amp.

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

FWIW; In the RE-301, the tone controls only affect the tape delay circuit and not the preamp or recovery.

btw.. were the hearing protectors for the ol' cats ears a newish thing for him right at that season of the reunion?
He was suffering from some severe tinnitus around then I believe... if that was indeed when he got em, then it would
make sense to brighten things up to compensate?
This damn tinnitus thing just happened to my ol pops. He's 65 and spent most of his life in construction, plus had to step down from his Fender twin to a Blues Junior amp.

I be sorry to hear that about your father, matey. My first guitar instructor also had a bit of that as well. Not anywhere near as bad as Setzer, but he always stressed ear protection to me, especially when playing loud amps. Unfortunately, we find these things out over time, and back then none of this was even imagined.

I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, this cropped up before the 2004 Stray Cats Reunion & Euro. Tour, as Setzer said (via a Q&A on his website) that he was using some form of ear protection/filter and that this had stabilized things to where he could perform with no further damage.

The thing is, though, I remember seeing the RE-301 picture from the 03' Hootenanny Show (?) and those settings pretty much match with our lists, whereas some settings have slightly changed on Webelvis picture. Maybe it has something to do with the venues, I don't know, but you're probably right in your assessment of compensation, since the first ones you lose are the higher frequencies.

Capt. Jones

You guys are the best! Thanks.

gear nuts unite!! I'll post some internal picts of my RE-301 later tonight!

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

gear nuts unite!! I'll post some internal picts of my RE-301 later tonight!

TV where can I purchase the tape loops for my RE- 301. Also is there anyone that can service these machines?

Bobby Retro wrote:

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

gear nuts unite!! I'll post some internal picts of my RE-301 later tonight!

TV where can I purchase the tape loops for my RE- 301. Also is there anyone that can service these machines?

hey hey, thought you drove your PT cruiser into the sunset! Guitar center carries
ampex or Basf tape in the pro audio dept., but you have to "roll your own". I think
you are as old as me and know the old scotch tape and razor blade across a ruler
to repair a cassette tape trick. same thing here..

for servicing, its hard to find any one these days..BUT my amp tech has now repaired
2 of these for me... the only thing he doesnt have access to are the motors and the
heads. He's Kevin G. of Hemet Valley Musicians Repair (bumfk egypt) in southern
california. He's not cheap but he is one of the best I have ever dealt with in restoring
my vintage bassman amps and space echoes. He's also the tech who's engineering my
pedal design... cant say enough.
Understand he is a luthier and amp serviceman, who was bugged by knuckle head here, to fix the Rolands. I found him the service manuals and schematics, he took it from there.

ps. if you want the real deal repro tape loops and have money to burn there is an ebay
seller from australia that carries em'.

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

gear nuts unite!! I'll post some internal picts of my RE-301 later tonight!

TV where can I purchase the tape loops for my RE- 301. Also is there anyone that can service these machines?

hey hey, thought you drove your PT cruiser into the sunset! Guitar center carries
ampex or Basf tape in the pro audio dept., but you have to "roll your own". I think
you are as old as me and know the old scotch tape and razor blade across a ruler
to repair a cassette tape trick. same thing here..

for servicing, its hard to find any one these days..BUT my amp tech has now repaired
2 of these for me... the only thing he doesnt have access to are the motors and the
heads. He's Kevin G. of Hemet Valley Musicians Repair (bumfk egypt) in southern
california. He's not cheap but he is one of the best I have ever dealt with in restoring
my vintage bassman amps and space echoes. He's also the tech who's engineering my
pedal design... cant say enough.
Understand he is a luthier and amp serviceman, who was bugged by knuckle head here, to fix the Rolands. I found him the service manuals and schematics, he took it from there.

ps. if you want the real deal repro tape loops and have money to burn there is an ebay
seller from australia that carries em'.

My PT is n the driveway right now with a flat tire. Since this is the second new front tire I have put on it in the last six months I am thinking that the rim is bad. Oh well gives me an excuse to drive the Jeep. Used to make a lot of 8mm movies (not porno's), so I know the scotch tape trick. What length should cut the tape to?

Clarify. ampex or Basf tape length?

Bobby Retro wrote:

Clarify. ampex or Basf tape length?

I'll have to
take it outa the box to tell you..its BASF though... my 201 had ampex and were about 60" radiuses...
sheeze...man
I'll have to check.. I have a bunch of spares in the cabinet somewhere.

Oops, I didn't mean for you to take it out of the box and measure it. I just thought you might know off hand the recommended length of tape needed to form a loop. I have an old loop in mine I can use that for a reference.

http://www.myspace.com/boppin_kat

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

Clarify. ampex or Basf tape length?

I'll have to
take it outa the box to tell you..its BASF though... my 201 had ampex and were about 60" radiuses...
sheeze...man
I'll have to check.. I have a bunch of spares in the cabinet somewhere.

Bobby Retro wrote:

Oops, I didn't mean for you to take it out of the box and measure it. I just thought you might know off hand the recommended length of tape needed to form a loop. I have an old loop in mine I can use that for a reference.

http://www.myspace.com/boppin_kat

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

Clarify. ampex or Basf tape length?

I'll have to
take it outa the box to tell you..its BASF though... my 201 had ampex and were about 60" radiuses...
sheeze...man
I'll have to check.. I have a bunch of spares in the cabinet somewhere.

www.201loop.com has roland lubed loops for $20

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

Oops, I didn't mean for you to take it out of the box and measure it. I just thought you might know off hand the recommended length of tape needed to form a loop. I have an old loop in mine I can use that for a reference.

http://www.myspace.com/boppin_kat

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

Clarify. ampex or Basf tape length?

I'll have to
take it outa the box to tell you..its BASF though... my 201 had ampex and were about 60" radiuses...
sheeze...man
I'll have to check.. I have a bunch of spares in the cabinet somewhere.

www.201loop.com has roland lubed loops for $20

Absolutely Perfect...Thank you!

oh man I just found this again!!

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Bobby Retro wrote:

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

gear nuts unite!! I'll post some internal picts of my RE-301 later tonight!

TV where can I purchase the tape loops for my RE- 301.  Also is there anyone that can service these machines?

hey hey, thought you drove your PT cruiser into the sunset! Guitar center carries
ampex or Basf tape in the pro audio dept., but you have to "roll your own". I think
you are as old as me and know the old scotch tape and razor blade across a ruler
to repair a cassette tape trick. same thing here..

for servicing, its hard to find any one these days..BUT my amp tech has now repaired
2 of these for me... the only thing he doesnt have access to are the motors and the
heads. He's Kevin G. of Hemet Valley Musicians Repair (bumfk egypt) in southern
california. He's not cheap but he is one of the best I have ever dealt with in restoring
my vintage bassman amps and space echoes. He's also the tech who's engineering my
pedal design... cant say enough.
Understand he is a luthier and amp serviceman, who was bugged by knuckle head here, to fix the Rolands. I found him the service manuals and schematics, he took it from there.

ps. if you want the real deal repro tape loops and have money to burn there is an ebay
seller from australia that carries em'.

you still around?