Jacksons DEAD

Thanks Christopher, thats my point precisely, all we really know about MJ is his music and thats really all we can judge him on.

Strangely enough, Im not a Michael Jackson fan but for my money he was a great musical innovator and had a significant cultural impact across a broad spectrum. And obviously had a positive significant impact on many lives.

I dont know about genius but he was a pretty damned good musician for all his faults and without a doubt up there with Jolson, Elvis, The Beatles and Madonna. I think it would be difficult to argue against that.

Are you never tired for saying so many shits at the minute ?

ChooChooHotHub wrote:

Are you never tired for saying so many shits at the minute ?

Whats that mean?

You talk too much, always saying the same silly thing about M.J. "genius" ( ) and trying not to talk about his coming to a tribunal (twice... Twice !). Who are you to call a lot of us "Idiots"? It's our right not to like/appreciate him (I mean in this place, on a Brian Setzer's fans forum in a topic called "Jackson is dead") or finding that a comparison with Elvis is really insulting us. As Frenchy recommends you, take your drops and go to sleep.

ChooChooHotHub wrote:

You talk too much, always saying the same silly thing about M.J. "genius" ( ) and trying not to talk about his coming to a tribunal (twice... Twice !). Who are you to call a lot of us "Idiots"? It's our right not to like/appreciate him (I mean in this place, on a Brian Setzer's fans forum in a topic called "Jackson is dead") or finding that a comparison with Elvis is really insulting us. As Frenchy recommends you, take your drops and go to sleep.

Number one; Ill talk as much as I want!!
Number two: You're obviously not taking time to read or understand what Im saying.
Number three: Why not on the BS fans forum??
Number four: Who's us??
Number five: Taking the drops and going to sleep would mean us not having these wonderful chats which I love so much!!
Number six: Im a sweetheart really! XXX

Michale Jackson´s last rehearsals:






For those who dared to say he was "done".... watching those scenes make me wonder how cool those shows in London were about to be.

I never liked MJ but I must admit that musically speaking, he wsa a genious; otherwise he was completely insane...

Despite the fact that I've never like anything from M.J., do you really think he has the health for 50 gigs while the summer ? I am not sure...

I wasn't a big fan. He was definately talented, but I wouldn't class him as a genius. In my opinion he was nuts. There's been a lot of talk about the legal issues etc. Enough about that. I arrived at my conclusion as a result of: Neverland ranch, the animals, circus rides, the spending - not the spending itself, but what he bought, the facial reconstruction surgeries, the skin bleach, and last but not least - the dangling of his baby over a balcony. I was skeptical too about his ability to pull off 50 shows. One, because of his rumored health issues, two, I didn't think there would be demand for tickets. I was wrong about that it seems.

Tickets were selling fast.

Health....well, he is dead now, so I guess he wasn´t healthy enough.

But anyway, not wanting to see his talent amazes me. I´m not saying "liking" his music, but at least recognizing that guy had something.

There is no doubt he was a phenomenal entertainer. I loved watching him dance. He was one strange dude, though. He suffered child abuse, and it no doubt warped him. He strove to capture the childhood that had eluded him. Was he a pedophile? Honestly, i don't know. He seemed more asexual to me, than anything else. Well he is with his maker, now, and must answer. We will never know for sure.

only one thing from me

Rest in peace MJ

While Jackson played a huge part in my childhood, I didn't find myself mightily affected by his passing - didn't get terribly sad, suddenly crave to listen to his music, or any of the things that happened to me when, say, Sam Butera passed.

But then I watched the tribute yesterday (though I missed the first part of it, so didn't see Stevie or Mariah). I admit I am a big sook. I thought John Mayer's "Human Nature" was wonderful. I got a little sad watching Brooke Shields' heartfelt speech. When Usher got off the stage and put his hand on the casket as he sang, I had tears in my eyes. When they showed video footage of the Jackson Five singing "Who's Lovin' You," I completely lost it, racked with sobs even while Smokey so joyously and incredulously spoke about the 10 year old boy who had no business being able to sing his song like that. These people were all talking about and singing about and playing about a human being that positively impacted their lives, not some celebrity trainwreck. Suddenly I felt like I'd just lost a member of my own family, it was then that I really, deeply realized that someone who is a big part of my childhood has died. The people that paid tribute to him yesterday, the specials that have been running all week, have been celebrating the Michael Jackson that we all knew and loved and want to remember - the one that conquered the world with his innovation and talent. That is who I now, finally, mourn.

And today I can't get enough of listening to the Jackson Five, Off The Wall and Thriller.

Well said Andi.

I thought the tribute was beautifully done too, andi. I learned some things I didn't know, too, like he was in the Guiness Book of World Records for the most charitable donations by a pop star. Janet Jackson seemed so motherly with MJ's daughter, too, after she made her very touching statements. I wish the kids the best.

The kid that first accused MJ of abusing him, taking him to court, confessed this past week it was all a lie, and that his parents made him say all those nasty things just to get some money and get out of poverty.

The kid is now a grown-up man, and speaks for himself. Late, but well.....

Rickabilly wrote:

I believe Michael Jackson had his day in court, and the charges were never proven. Unfortunately, his bizarre behavior over the past 20 years of his life made him a perennial punchline and tabloid gold. It also made him a target of extortionists in search of a large payday. I believe crimes such as the ones Michael Jackson was accused of are terrible. I also believe parents who exploit their children in search of cash settlements or book deals, with little concern for their child's welfare, are reprehensible. Since neither of these allegations have ever been proven, all I can really judge him on is his musical legacy.

Michael Jackson flourished in an era that seemed to be made for a man of his talents. MTV was the perfect vehicle for a visual entertainer like Jackson, and for almost a decade it seemed every single, every album, every music video was a pop cultural event. In the last 50 years, only Elvis and the Beatles ever commanded as much attention. Whether or not you enjoyed his music, his dancing, or his charity work, or became distracted with the freak show of the past 15-20 years, his career as an entertainer was culturally significant, and at the time of his premature passing, his work deserves notice.

Thriller-billy

I agree with you Rick. I loved the Jackson 5 . I grew up listening to them. Dancing in the streets of Bensenhurst Brooklyn with the portable record player. All my friends from school would be hanging on the corner and we would be dancing and singing to all our 45's. After he caught on fire doing that pepsi commerical, then the freak show started. His farther did'nt help, Michael Jackson was a genius for his field of music. However, he never had a childhood and he had a very SAD SOUL. He was playing Russian Roulette with his life. This is going to be the freak show of the summer. Cause the Jackson family is going to pay through the nose all the doctors and other people to keep there mouth's shut. Just like Michael , they want his cause of death to remain a mystery. It did'nt surprise me when he died. He was the type of person you thought would not live to be an old man.
With Respect for the man and his music . I hope you are at peace finally . I hope all charities he started will live on in his memory. The Mother will probably stop that too. Talented ,but weird family. Well that is how most geniuses become .
Lisa I like when Michael looked like this .

Hum.....it is regretable that Michael Jackson's Thriller was played so often....everyone/everywhere was playing it in the early eighties, while i was listening to stray cats. They thought i was weird.
If success is measured by hit records and music videos - then there is no denying that MJ was one of the best.
None of the songs really appealed to me personally - well it's POP isn't it - doesn't rock my boat. But respect for what he acheived musically.
I won't comment on his 'private' life. I had no idea about it because i haven't listened to the gossip over the years.
What is sad is someone dying before their time. Anyone i mean. My cousin died two weeks ago aged 36. So it can't help MJ's family to have stories about him plastered over the newspaper.
'Billie jean' and 'thriller' are the songs i'd think of if someone mentioned him name. And i'll always remember a tv presenter singing 'Bad' - which he did badly, and i've always thought it was a bad song anyway.
Just a thought - i wonder if there would be such a big thing about his death if he had stayed in the Jackson 5 and never branched out on his own? Thinking about it 'Ben' was really 'off the wall' perhaps 'thriller' saved him.
One last thing. I think Michael Jackson perhaps helped black singers stamp their mark on the pop market. He became an idol. Rather like Chuck Berry and Little Richard in the fifties. Although perhaps in a way that wasn't a good thing sometimes because a lot of rap music became popular after that! Yes we can blame MJ for anything!
Maybe i should start this again....with ABC