Tabs ....and ampli!?!

Hi....

where can i found other rockabilly tabs or chord...i m loocking for wanda jackson and janis martin (cracker jack)....and more more.....

who wants help me? what amp i must buy for rockabilly sound? i have gretsch 6120dsw (DynaSonic pick up)...in italy new fender bassman combo costs 1200euro!!!it s more expensive!

Thanks

Try the Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue!!
It's a very tweed like clean channel and has got a cool Pverdrice channel built in.

marcoabilly wrote:

Hi....

where can i found other rockabilly tabs or chord...i m loocking for wanda jackson and janis martin (cracker jack)....and more more.....

who wants help me? what amp i must buy for rockabilly sound? i have gretsch 6120dsw (DynaSonic pick up)...in italy new fender bassman combo costs 1200euro!!!it s more expensive!

Thanks

Hi,

I think you will strugle to find any tabs or chords for Wanda Jackson or Janis Martin songs

The best thing you can do is learn them the old fashioned way it can be time consuming and rather frustating but it will help you develop your musical ear in the long term.

I have had a quick listen to Crackerjack and to my ears its a I(one)-VI(six)-II(two)-V(five) progression in Aflat - so it goes - Ab-Fm-Bbm-Eb, the chorus starts on the IV chord (Db) then switches between Ab and Db before going to Bb7 and stopping on Eb7 - then its back to the verse progression again - I Hope this helps a bit and give you a start on this tune at least


Regarding your amp question I think we need more information before recommending good amplifiers

Where and how are you going to use it? - will you be playing live - if so will the venues be large or small, do you want it just to practice at home?

There are so many different variations on the rockabilly sound - do you want a Brian Setzer sound, a Reverend Horton Heat sound, a Cliff Gallup sound or just a more generic sound?

What is your budget - how much do you want to spend?

You have got a great guitar there by the way - those dynasonic pickups really rock when properly adjusted.

thank s for all guys!!

i would like a clean sound like cliff gallup.....and i have 1000euros...

what effect i need? deelay and reverbero? what you think about this?

this summer i will play live and i want to buy an ampli for live performances!

marcoabilly wrote:

thank s for all guys!!

i would like a clean sound like cliff gallup.....and i have 1000euros...

what effect i need? deelay and reverbero? what you think about this?

this summer i will play live and i want to buy an ampli for live performances!

Hi Marco,

i think with a Fender Blues Deluxe you are on the right way.
Reverb is incl.
For Gallup Sounds you need an Echo aswell.
Try a Danelectro Wasabi Rockabye. It`s cool for less money.
http://www.thomann.de/it/danelectro_wasabi_as1_rockabye_bodeneffekt.htm
Or the Boss Space Echo
http://www.thomann.de/it/boss_re20_space_echo.htm

But don´t forget, gear is not everything.
Your fingers make the tone aswell.

Cheers

Brett

I heard the 65' Princeton reissue with several custom shop tele at NAMM this
last week... That amp breaks up in the highs and keeps the lows..holy xmas
that thing sounded great going through the PA system..
Affordable and portable with tube reverb ... Almost as good as my old
67' Princeton Reverb!!

If you get a chance try out the Peavey Classic 30. I've used em for over 10 years now live and in the studio and they are affordable, reliable and sound great. Work equally well when recording and onstage - used 'em in large and small venues and they never let me down. Easily the most under rated amp out there...

Clean channel is really VERY impressive and there's a built in reverb that's not bad at all. Dirty channel is great for punchier rockabilly stuff and will cover anything from beefy twang to out and out Link Wraydom.. (a lot of folks use the clean channel for rhythm and the dirty one for lead..but it's MUCH more versatile than that).
I usually play rockabilly and use my 6120 through just an echo box into the amp (currently a carl martin red repeat - very good indeed as long as you use a power supply and NOT batteries). Using the channel switch and pick up selector etc on the gtr you can get most every rockin' sound you'll need...and then some!
I've also used teles and danos/baritones through it and all sound great.

I occasionally play old school punk too and for that use a beat up Les Paul through the dirty channel - again with some echo (diff settings natch)..and again it's spot on for that sizzlingly beefy Johnny Thunders raunch... so this amp covers all the bases I need it for.

My only gripes would be the Peavey logo is truly gawd awful (80's metal yeucch!) but don't worry it screws off easily. The new cabinet design isn't quite as sleek or as retro as the old one - there's a rounded wooden bit on the front where they have the logo..but you getused to it! Oh and they've also changed the control numbering which confused me no end...(it used to be upside down - from way back -when people played with their amps in front of them onstage!..) now it's 'normal' which is less quirky but boring.. (in fairness the 'boost' button is pretty much a waste of time too as it can't be operated by the footswitch which controls reverb/channel selection)

But, very minor quiblles aside, it's still the BEST amp I've ever played and -a LOT of the top rockin' folks in the UK/Ireland seem to agree with me as I've lost count of the number of times I've spotted 'em in use over the years! So...it's portable and reliable, looks good and always sounds great...frankly it's a real bargain in my book.


Anyways give one a try and make your own mind up....

Easy greasy!

Brian Young

sabrejet wrote:

If you get a chance try out the Peavey Classic 30. I've used em for over 10 years now live and in the studio and they are affordable, reliable and sound great. Work equally well when recording and onstage - used 'em in large and small venues and they never let me down. Easily the most under rated amp out there...

I completely agree with you. Before I managed to track down a 64 Bassman, I used to have a Fender HotRod Deville with four 10"s. But one of our regular venues had a Peavey Classic 50 (4x10) as part of the house backline, and I came to prefer using that one instead of my own amp. That was one sweet sounding amp!

As far as echo goes, I've been using a Danelectro DanEcho for more than ten years. I bought it because it looked cool (I admit it ), but although it's not a well-built pedal, it's worked for me. These days it seems it's starting to die on me, and I doubt it will be worth it to fix it. But it has been a good pedal...

Anders

(edit: Hey, post number 100! Bring on the cake... )

gretschoholic wrote:

sabrejet wrote:

If you get a chance try out the Peavey Classic 30. I've used em for over 10 years now live and in the studio and they are affordable, reliable and sound great. Work equally well when recording and onstage - used 'em in large and small venues and they never let me down. Easily the most under rated amp out there...

I completely agree with you. Before I managed to track down a 64 Bassman, I used to have a Fender HotRod Deville with four 10"s. But one of our regular venues had a Peavey Classic 50 (4x10) as part of the house backline, and I came to prefer using that one instead of my own amp. That was one sweet sounding amp!

As far as echo goes, I've been using a Danelectro DanEcho for more than ten years. I bought it because it looked cool (I admit it ), but although it's not a well-built pedal, it's worked for me. These days it seems it's starting to die on me, and I doubt it will be worth it to fix it. But it has been a good pedal...

Anders

(edit: Hey, post number 100! Bring on the cake... )

True bypass isnt a concern on your pedals? signal attenuation... stuff like that?
Honestly Danelectro is made cheap but seriously sound cool. Even that
crappy little plastic tuna melt tremelo they make sounds really good.


I thought
about buying that whole series and mounting it in a rack tray with a true bypass
switching board from Voodoo labs..

btw.. i think peavey are made better (the tube amps) all around
than current ensenada mexico built fender amps(hotrod or blues series).
Even if your fender amp sez "made in corona,ca" is means it was assembled
in the USA but that baby's parts are south of the border:
cabs:
http://reviews.photoweborama.com/allthingsguitar1/fendertour/ampcabs.html
amp electronics/chassis and wave flow soldering of PCBs:
http://reviews.photoweborama.com/allthingsguitar1/fendertour/ampelec.html

Hartley Peavey tries more than the suits at fender dont ya think? Fender was
once THE amp company....
the Delta blues is a fender contender

but you could by a 66 fender blackface bassman and convert it to blonde for the
price of a hotrod devi

@TV: btw, what do you think about the Fender Super Sonic?

oh guys.....well now i must to spend much time to try all these ampli.....
i m really happy for your suggestions...
what do you think about fender bassman 59reissue...is it the sound like original vintage bassman combo?

another question...where i can buy echo or others on internet? in my town it s not very easy i found this products!!here all guitarists play metal!!!

thank s for all!!!

Isn't there some big online music store in Italy?
Well you could search on the italian verison of Thomann.de (Germany's biggest online music store), the should have loads of echos.

marcoabilly wrote:

another question...where i can buy echo or others on internet? in my town it s not very easy i found this products!!here all guitarists play metal!!!

thank s for all!!!

You are living in the european union, means you can buy in europe whereever you want. No customsduty. Only shipping costs should be checked.

www.pedaler.eu

or here from Italy

http://www.boxguitar.com/Pack/catalog/index.php?osCsid=48ddefbc4870e7ccbabe9e6e746428cd

Ciao

Brett

Brett wrote:

@TV: btw, what do you think about the Fender Super Sonic?

Its the coolest early 90's MARSHALL fender has ever built...fun with a Strat for wankin and austin city blues.. not rockabilly or neo rockabilly.
I warned my father and he bought the head and cab anyway... Hated it in 5 minutes. So he goes forth with his 65' twin and Blues Deluxe.

My 12 yr old loved it when I drop D'd my strat and cranked it up for some galloping
metal chugs.

positives= it looks cool...
and the cab is one of the best modern takes on a bassman cabs ever made IMO. Its
a fender Tonemaster custom shop cab basically. Fender didnt sell too many of those so I think they needed to move stock.*
Internal baffle slants the speakers slightly forward behind the grill. speakers are also front mounted so there is no pulling off a backpanel with 8 thousand screws. It even has a set of vintage 30s in
it, unfortunately they are an 8ohm total load so you'd have to sell em and get
another set of 8ohm V30s for a 4ohm total load. plus change the grill clothe.
Totally worth the effort if you can find a deal on the cab. NOT the amp..blah.

*fender is notorious for reusing parts off older stock to create "new amps"..
check out the new reissue bandmaster they are building in mexico. man they
just dont learn a darn thing...

Ok, thank you very much
May ask you a 2nd question?

For the moment i use for Rockabilly a Fender Blues deluxe with seperate 1x12 cab.

It is ok, but sometimes i want more...how could i say...more bassman or SRV sound. I read somewhere changing tubes might be a good idea?

What i really like is the Cleansound up to Volumen 3, but after that the sound changes. (But at this time it is loud like Boing 747)

Brett wrote:

Ok, thank you very much
May ask you a 2nd question?

For the moment i use for Rockabilly a Fender Blues deluxe with seperate 1x12 cab.

It is ok, but sometimes i want more...how could i say...more bassman or SRV sound. I read somewhere changing tubes might be a good idea?

What i really like is the Cleansound up to Volumen 3, but after that the sound changes. (But at this time it is loud like Boing 747)

If you love your amp and/or you plain to use it for a while there are a number of ways to "Revoice" the amp. some simple and relatively affordable some costly.

First.. when you say you want it to sound like a bassman and srv.. do you mean you want that SRV 59'bassman/fender super reverb thang? or are you saying you'd like to have that tight fat bottom (beyonce anyone?) and slight breakup of Setzer's BSO sound and in addition would like to get that gritschy SRV grind too?

If youre after setzer blonde bassman vibe, its kind of hard to get without a closed back cab, its just physically not gonna happen with an openback anything. This doesnt mean you cant get close to the mojo of his twang and overdrive clip though.
Plus any stuff he does on nitroburnin', or the back streets of tokyo stuff was a lot of smaller open back combos (tweeds, supros,etc) so obviously one can capture
that whole mojo with the right gear. (not the talent or finger tone sorry, ha).

You said you are using an extension cab? that amp is rated at 8ohms as is the stock speaker according to its schematic, so unless you changed the stock speaker
to 16ohms and the extension speaker is also 16ohms are you running that amp correctly... If you are using the stock speaker (8ohms) and an extension 1x12 with
an 8ohm speaker, you are in danger of jacking up your transformer/burning up the amps output section because you are placing a 4ohm total load on an amp that
needs to see 8ohms. Kinda like putting a sock in your mouth and wrapping yourself in cellophane and running a 6K marathon... you will die of hyperthermia.

Now I know Fender "use to" put overbuilt trannies in their amps and they could actually survive a gig with a lower impedence cab than the output tranny specs
but thats not the case on these newer amps.

still havent answered your question but that red flag went up, sorry.

To take your stock amp and get a juicer sound, with woodier mids and breakup in the upper mids you dump the crappy stock eminence speaker for either
a celestion greenback or eminence Red Fang, and then dump the run of the mill
fender labeled russian tubes ( fender now owns GT ) for a set of JJ/tesla. The
preamp tubes are 12AX7a stock tubes but the europe equivalent of vintage
american tubes are the JJ ECC803 longplates. They are great in these amps..
Tighter bass and puncy mids with sweet smooth highs.
This mod can be done by anyone and no servicing to the amp...instant smiles.
When it comes to the power tubes, you actually need to take your amp to a tech
when you switch those pwr tubes to anythnig else..but its worth it because the
smaller bottle 6L6 tubes are THE SOUNd these fender amps need to keep the bass tight and articulate yet let the upper mids breakup sooner, plus it lowers the output
volume of the amp near 10watts so you dont have to turn up so damn loud.
Right now there is a decent choice of reissue small bottle 6L6 tubes so you dont
have to break the bank to own NOS phillips 6L6WGBs or NOS TUNGSOL 5881s.

The newsensor built Tung-sol 5881s are really really good and worth 16bucks. I have these in my blonded 66'bassman and these are stock on the Gomez el sonido.

TAD (tube amp doctor in germany) sells the TAD 6L6GC small bottle and those are real close to the Phillips 6L6WGB, a bit more womp in the mids but about $12 eac.

I still prefer original NOS phillips 6L6WGBs that brian uses, even though they are not spec for vintage bassmans, the RCA labeled Tun-sol 5881s are..BUT once again
SETZER has come up with the RIGHT sound through trial and error. He feigns that he is simple and vintage but he is a gear geek and a tone Dr. I have both these
NOS phillips 6L6WGBs (internally similiar to the tungsol) and the original NOS RCA
labeled Tung-Sol duets... The cheaper Phillips version sounds more like Setzer, or feels more like it through the amp..obviously.

tubedepot.com has a duo of NOS phillip ECG 6L6WGBs usually for $75 shipped compared to like $90eac on the NOS Tunsol 5881.

So....... there ya go!

For Good SRV tone outa the box using your stock amp, I am a firm believer in
Barber pedals. They have the feel,tone and booteek quality for the best price.
No hype just solid pedigree. The Barber Small fry Freakin rules as does the burn unit or tone pump. www.barberelectronics.com

Stevie used a combination of amps on stage and studio to get his sound. since
Dave barber took the Burn unit and made it give up the famous Dumble sound
as well as the super reverb with CTS alnico speakers sound mix with a marshall... I love this pedal for
strats but even more so for my gretsch to have Rev Horton Sounds and Eric clapton
and eric johnson solo tones..

I'm sorry TV, as thorough as that answer was, you completely took me waay off topic with the Beyonce reference! Yikes!

Rick

Twenty Flight Rick wrote:

I'm sorry TV, as thorough as that answer was, you completely took me waay off topic with the Beyonce reference! Yikes!

Rick

oh did you say you like the Menatone Foxy Brown pedals bootyliscious tone?



ooops this one:


brown sugar big fat bottom for your .........guitar

I had no idea that such a pedal existed! Sorry for the thread derailment!

Wow, first of all thank you very much for your explanation. This is one of these things why this board is great.
(i don´t care about some young guys from South Europe with a big mouth )
I have to to print it out and read everything accurate especially the part about the tubes.

I don`t want an exactly sound like Setzer with a Blues deluxe. It`s not possible 'cause of technical things and i cannot play like him. The same with SRV.
Only a bit more of it would be nice.

The external cab i use got a Jenssen 8 Ohm Speaker, thats right and inside the amp i use the stock speaker, also 8 Ohm.
But the manual says this is right. Otherwise i wouldn`t do that. If i want to use only an external cab it must have 4 Ohm.
I play a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue, 40W. Maybe i should say this complete...
this one

I`m not unhappy with this amp. For smaller venues it´s great, and also for bigger stages with the cab it´s a very good sound.
But i have also a Marshall Fullstack JCM2000 DSL with 4x12 Cab. The Cleansound for Rockabilly is not that good like with Fender, but the headroom is great.
If i change from Marshall to the Blues Deluxe without a break
it is like i play guitar with a portable radio the first minutes.
I must say i play longer Marshall than Fender.
In the 80ies i played a Fender twin Reverb for a while. But than for years Marshall, also Rock`n Roll. But it is too loud and too big mostly.

Anyway, thanks again. I will try the tube thing.
Is it smart to change all tubes or is it also ok to start with the preamp tube and try?

Cheers

Brett (in real life Jurgen)

Brett wrote:

Wow, first of all thank you very much for your explanation. This is one of these things why this board is great.
(i don´t care about some young guys from South Europe with a big mouth )
I have to to print it out and read everything accurate especially the part about the tubes.

I don`t want an exactly sound like Setzer with a Blues deluxe. It`s not possible 'cause of technical things and i cannot play like him. The same with SRV.
Only a bit more of it would be nice.

The external cab i use got a Jenssen 8 Ohm Speaker, thats right and inside the amp i use the stock speaker, also 8 Ohm.
But the manual says this is right. Otherwise i wouldn`t do that. If i want to use only an external cab it must have 4 Ohm.
I play a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue, 40W. Maybe i should say this complete...
this one

I`m not unhappy with this amp. For smaller venues it´s great, and also for bigger stages with the cab it´s a very good sound.
But i have also a Marshall Fullstack JCM2000 DSL with 4x12 Cab. The Cleansound for Rockabilly is not that good like with Fender, but the headroom is great.
If i change from Marshall to the Blues Deluxe without a break
it is like i play guitar with a portable radio the first minutes.
I must say i play longer Marshall than Fender.
In the 80ies i played a Fender twin Reverb for a while. But than for years Marshall, also Rock`n Roll. But it is too loud and too big mostly.

Anyway, thanks again. I will try the tube thing.
Is it smart to change all tubes or is it also ok to start with the preamp tube and try?

Cheers

Brett (in real life Jurgen)

you bet... preamp tubes usually start going south after 6months of gigging and practicing, supposedly they are to last 2yrs but thats for bedroom warriors.
This doesnt mean they dont work but all the great distinct tones you first heard
are now kinda dull. ...sound familiar? maybe?

Hey Brett and TV,
I'm running Tung-Sol 6L6GC STR and Mullard 12AX7 in my Fender 4x10 Blues DeVille and they awoke a beast within! The difference between the stock Fender tubes and these are like chalk and cheese. Best couple hundred bucks I spent on my sound, and an easy fix. I heard that changing the capicator is the next step in the right direction, maybe to an orange one (help TV?).
Just out of curiosity, my Danelectro DanEcho has died and I even though I love it coz of the mode switch it has, I can get a deal on a Cal Martin, any personal info on these?

Pistol Pete wrote:

Hey Brett and TV,
I'm running Tung-Sol 6L6GC STR and Mullard 12AX7 in my Fender 4x10 Blues DeVille and they awoke a beast within! The difference between the stock Fender tubes and these are like chalk and cheese. Best couple hundred bucks I spent on my sound, and an easy fix. I heard that changing the capicator is the next step in the right direction, maybe to an orange one (help TV?).
Just out of curiosity, my Danelectro DanEcho has died and I even though I love it coz of the mode switch it has, I can get a deal on a Cal Martin, any personal info on these?

PP,
you have seen the light, and you chose the right tungsols because that bassman distorts really easy..the 5881s would be a better choice only if you were a greasy blues cat. I used a '59 for a short time and put in Svetlana 6L6STRs in it and
used a solid state rectifier plug instead of the tube rectifier.. bought me much more
headroom for my Hamer studio (p90s goldtop) and my Matchless Dirtbox tube pre.

I'm sure you know messing inside any amp is actually very dangerous and can have
fatal results for you if your hands complete a circuit through your heart by accidently discharging the DC voltage from the caps that can hold upwards of 300volts DC current each....
I've survived this actual event some 5 times and it feels like God speed bagged my head with bare knuckles. (this probably explains alot about me)...
anyway its worth it to upgrade your amp, but if its not point to point like old fender amps, then you really stand a chance of ruining the tracings on the amps PCB unless you have ninja like soldering skills.

check out Bill M.s mods.. really insightful=
http://home.comcast.net/~machrone/bluesjunior.htm

ps. if you pull that danelectro apart i think you might find that you have a cold solder joint at the:
i/o jacks
the ac adapt. jack
stomp switch.

most econo pedals do not have flying leads from the box to the PCB and directly
have their jacks n switches soldered on the actual PCB. Any torque to the jack
(like stepping on your guitar cable when its plugged into the pedal) results in
cracking a solder joint or worse the PCB and its tracings which renders the pedal
useless.
If its a solder joint all you have to do is quickly reheat it and reflow the existing solder. To the naked eye often you cant detect hairline cracks that cause intermittent or permanent circuit interuption, so if you grab a magnifying glass
and take a look the PCB with direct sunlight (go outside at 11am-3pm) the culprit
gets identified quickly.
just my 2 cents on that..

ps. if you guys ever want to put together a tube order, I'll give you my wholesale
price.. tungsol reissues should never cost you more than $17 ea
and Pete,
Nikko has been using the carl martin red with good results.
The electro harmonix #1 delay is digital but its designed to sound and feel
analog + its true bypass. they are $99 and I can order 3 or more for a "better"
price since Newsensor.com is one of my suppliers

Thanks for that info TV, I should have said rectifier instead. I've heard that with time they diminish in quality and just another easy and relatively cheap enhancement/mainteance.
I'm having my friends at TWANG CENTRAL GUITARS have a look at the DanEcho as we speak.
Cheers for ya help Pete
P.S. i appreciate the offer on tubes etc, but I'm lucky I do a bit of "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" with the boys from Twang and pay wholesale anyways, if anything at all. I'm lucky all my setups, strings, picks etc are free from them.... just don't tell Rene, as I've put him onto them! Infact if you lived over here TV and did my work, you'd be eating and drinking free once a week as well!!!

Brett wrote:

@TV: btw, what do you think about the Fender Super Sonic?

I used a Fender Super Sonic for about 3 months, great sounding amp, especially after I swapped out the Groove Tubes for Tung Sols, but way to loud! and it needs to be running at around 4 to get the tone happening but thats way to loud for your average club.
I was constantly getting asked by the sound guy to turn it down!

So I traded it for for a Deluxe Reverb Reissue, only 22 watts but plenty loud and breaks up just right! Perfect for Rockabilly! (Also swapped out the Groove Tubes for JJ's)