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donpepe
Posts : 358 Join date : 2008-05-04 Age : 61 Location : Finland
| Subject: free download on bs.com Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:20 pm | |
| Brian Setzer Orchestra Free MP3 On Amazon.com (Limited Time Only)
Every day in December up to Dec. 25th, Amazon MP3 is revealing a new holiday song available a free download (for a limited time only). The Brian Setzer Orchestra's "Angels We Have Heard On High" is Amazon's free track for December 16th! Head on over to Amazon now and start your download!
And then: for US only! Yes, great, thanks a million. | |
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johnnykool327
Posts : 201 Join date : 2008-04-17 Age : 41 Location : MN
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:52 pm | |
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Jon Pascual
Posts : 48 Join date : 2008-12-27
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:13 pm | |
| Hey Don Pepe, you can always use Emule for such a task!!
Setzer has already ripped us off by re-re-re-re-re-releasing the Xmas CDs... can't he do another album like Guitar Slinger, Dirty Boogie, Ignition or so instead??? | |
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ScottS Moderator
Posts : 83 Join date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:14 pm | |
| Jon, ripped you off?
why? Did you not read the song content?
Was there less songs on the cd you purchased then it said would be on there?
I think you need to understand the definition of ripped off
I think they made a lot of effort to allow us to purchase individual tracks including a $2.99 download that I took advantage of for some of the tracks I didn't have. | |
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donpepe
Posts : 358 Join date : 2008-05-04 Age : 61 Location : Finland
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:10 am | |
| My point was that all the offers should be available everywhere and to all fans. I understand that it may be difficult to make it happen due technical or legar reasons. But still.
I have never said anything about ripped off or anything like that.
An artist can/may do any kind of albums / music he wants, they are the ones who juggle between money, crerativity etc. We can choose to buy or not to buy the records. So far I've bought them all, couple of them twice. | |
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Andi
Posts : 1467 Join date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:18 am | |
| I just want to point out no Amazon downloads are ever available for anyone outside the US. That's not Setzer's fault or Surfdog's fault, it's Amazon's. | |
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donpepe
Posts : 358 Join date : 2008-05-04 Age : 61 Location : Finland
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:43 am | |
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Jon Pascual
Posts : 48 Join date : 2008-12-27
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:24 am | |
| Scotts, I surely understand the MEANING of all the words that I write. But honestly, it's pointless the reedition (AGAIN) of a Xmas album or even this compilation. I mean, the songs are already on 2 separate albums, the DVD is also on the market... what's the point in releasing again the Xmas songs?? | |
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Kelley
Posts : 843 Join date : 2008-11-20
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:33 am | |
| 'bs.com' bad initials there | |
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Rickabilly
Posts : 949 Join date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:23 am | |
| I can't believe I'm defending the Christmas releases, because as a fan, the release of material I already own (and Christmas music at that) is hugely disappointing. But the Christmas Rocks and Ultimate Christmas Collection releases were NOT targeting the established fanbase, especially the über-fanboys-and-fangirls inhabiting this message board. Although there are a few enthusiastic fans here new to the party who post-and-post-and-post but only have and handful of purchased releases, and a hard drive full of illegal rapidshare downloads, who would eagerly snap up this "new" release.
Christmas albums are big business from October-December - there are dozens, if not, hundreds of newly recorded holiday releases every year, and many more re-releases than that. How many repackages of the Elvis and Sinatra releases have you seen over the years? The people who buy them aren't necessarily buying them because they're fans of the artist. They buy them to have a different take on their favorite holiday music. Or for gifts/stocking stuffers. Or because they only had enough budgeted to buy the Bette Midler, Chris Isaak, Jimmy Buffet, SheDaisy, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and latest Now That's What I Call Christmas CDs last year. There is definitely a market for it. Shoot, Harry Connick, Jr. was on his third Christmas album in 2008.
Boogie Woogie Christmas was released before legal digital downloading was the dominant force in the marketplace, and that industry has exploded even since 2004 and 2005, when the Extravaganza DVD (now available on iTunes) and Dig That Crazy Christmas album were released. This technology has the potential to reach so many more people, even if they're just downloading Bach's Bounce, Santa Claus is Coming to Town, or Take a Break Guys (plenty of people missed Wolfie last year.) It's an alternative revenue stream for both the label and artist. And since it is their chosen profession, I can't begrudge them the right to make a living.
As Scott pointed out, Surfdog did reach out to US fans who had been holding out with their $2.99 download offer through Amazon. And for those who missed the Extravaganza DVD (which is becoming increasingly harder to find in stores - not everyone shops on the internet) the ability to buy the combined CD/DVD release for less than the DVD alone would be an attractive purchase for some.
Yes, I would have much rather seen a brand new non-holiday release from Brian, alone or with the Orchestra, or better yet, a new Stray Cats album. But it's not as if those options were a choice. It was a holiday repackaging, or nothing at all. I'm at peace with it, even if I still laugh out loud at the line given to me by another very disappointed fan to describe the releases:
"Flogging a Dead Reindeer"
Hilarious, brilliant, and true. But a revenue stream nonetheless.
Cash registers ring, are ya listenin'-a-billy | |
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Jon Pascual
Posts : 48 Join date : 2008-12-27
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:06 am | |
| Rickabilly, I perfectly see your viewpoint.
However, I still think that re-releasing Xmas albums it's a bit pointless, specially for collectors. And the bad point of all this, is that I am one of those guys who buys everything saying SETZER. I'm a collector, I can't help it and I don't want that gap of the "re-re-re-re-releases" on my shelves, but those new editios do not apport nothing new.
I think that if an artist is intending a reedition of an album, those artists will have to give much more: why?? One reason, because those persons who have not bought the album when it was released, was because there might be something wrong (design, not enough tracks... whatever) and secondly, because a fan who already has the album and the artist has that fan as a target, will have to give something else, not just an unreleased bonus track that can easily be found on the internet.
I am not against the Xmas releases, neither from Brian Setzer nor any artist, but I am totally agaisnt useless reeditions that give nothing new to the already existing fans and collectors. | |
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ScottS Moderator
Posts : 83 Join date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:31 am | |
| - Jon Pascual wrote:
- I am not against the Xmas releases, neither from Brian Setzer nor any artist, but I am totally agaisnt useless reeditions that give nothing new to the already existing fans and collectors.
I see that you do see the meaning. The re-releases were not meant for you. They were marketing them to the new fans at the retailers. You can understand that cd sales and recognition from untapped fans makes touring viable right? | |
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Kelley
Posts : 843 Join date : 2008-11-20
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:27 pm | |
| soooo Rick, I guess I fall under the 'new enthusiastic fan who post and post and post with only a few handful of purchased cds?' I may write silly posts here, (hey, I was born the Chinese year of the Monkey plus I am a lazy lazy always daydreaming Libra, lol that is my full personality-silliness with my head in the clouds 24/7 ;-)) BUT I really do appreciate all the Cats music that is why I posted that Phantom Rocker and Slick song, because Lee's voice is really good, never really heard it before and regulary visit Jim's site for updates, because his site is really good it's user friendly, you know? but I just won't buy any of Brian's Christmas albums, because I was mever into Christmas albums that much, EXCEPT for this one, it is the only one that mattered in my house as a child: Merry Chistmas from Goodyearit's pretty cool to listen to for all ages! BUT when it comes to buying record cds the reason why folks never go out to buy them anymore is because record stores are slowly becoming obsolete The fun and excitement of 'anticipating the release date of so and so's new album from hearing about it on the radio and rushing out to go buy it that buy to play it on your brand new stereo system' are long gone there was even this one radio station back in Los Angeles that used to play the whole album every Sunday back in the early '80's, that was such an absolute BLAST!! But now downloading is just the market out there for us to listen to our fav artists new music and the artists know it, David Bowie was one of the first artists to come up wtih this idea I believe, and I am happy wth it because sometimes you get to hear song samples even BEFORE the whole album is released! even radio is through the 'net nowadays for I have been able to listen to stations from the east coast and the UK and don't forget the online chats you can have with your fave artists too. embrace the 'Net-welcome to the 21st century!!! just remember that when MTV first came out, a lot of artists didn't like the idea of music video, Hall and Oats had said so saying 'do we have to be actors now?' ha ha | |
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Kelley
Posts : 843 Join date : 2008-11-20
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:42 pm | |
| interesting letter from Courtney Love about recording artists rights, please read Our Rights | |
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Twenty Flight Rick
Posts : 662 Join date : 2008-04-18
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:06 pm | |
| Actually, that was a pretty cool read. Thanks for posting that Kelly! | |
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Andi
Posts : 1467 Join date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:24 pm | |
| Anyone know the date of that letter? Looks like it might be pretty old, the link at the end to theredceiling.com doesn't work anymore. | |
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Rickabilly
Posts : 949 Join date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:39 pm | |
| Kelley, I did have you in mind when I thought of enthusiastic fans who have either recently rediscovered or are just now discovering Setzer's career. Even Andi, who wrote such an amazing essay regarding her passion for the music of Setzer, took nearly a decade off from following Brian's career, soliciting Setzer fans last year for ideas on which of the albums from 2001-2007 she should buy first. As Scott said, you guys are the fans Brian and his record company are trying to reach. The current fanbase is pretty loyal, so new consumers are the target.
If you've been hanging 'round these message boards for a few years, it's easy to forget that not everyone here is familiar with every single release, bonus track, video/DVD in the Setzer and Stray Cats catalog. New fans today are deluged with all these wonderful YouTube clips and rapidshare shows, there's hardly time to seek out the official discography.
So while I'm surprised someone with your enthusiasm is passing on the CD/DVD package of the Ultimate Christmas collection, especially when less than half the DVD is Christmas songs, I wish you the best in your discovery of some pretty great albums you might have missed over the years. If at all possible, I hope you buy them.
Taking Courtney Love's article to mean "downloading doesn't hurt anyone, because the artist doesn't get much money anyway" is not the message that was being conveyed, by the way (and I'm not saying you thought it was - it's probably just a coincidence the article link followed a download discussion). The article was looking for artists to unite to get themselves a bigger piece of the pie. I, too, found it a very interesting read.
Mmmm... Pie-billy | |
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Kelley
Posts : 843 Join date : 2008-11-20
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:02 pm | |
| thank you twentyflightrick and rickabilly! yes some artists today do not like downoading, but in places like mine, there are not a lot of record stores to choose from so music dvd's might be my next option to look for to buy? We have a Suncoast they have great music dvd's. but yes, I think I am past the 'Mr. Brian Setzer trying to impress me with his music stage' because earlier today I was listening to 30 Days from one of his cocerts driving around in my car, intoxicating! | |
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ScottS Moderator
Posts : 83 Join date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:40 pm | |
| Thanks for the letter link - it is amazing how fat the record companies were and how much money never makes it to the artist.
I work with a couple of record companies and I can say from the conversations I have had they really dont get it. They fight the iTunes model because they think they can do it better themselves and keep more of the profit. Some approaches I have seen have left me dumbfounded like the SonyBMG's digital album cards which I still dont understand.
Amazon, iTunes, Walmart, Target and hitting them with new releases, even re-releases, getting shelf space and reason for promotion is a good approach right now. I thought the limited $2.99 download was a great idea to drum up the business.
I dont know where the music industry is going, I think the RIAA is doing much more harm then good and whatever they are winning is just getting sucked up in lawyer fees not even reaching the artist.
I have always said music and concert DVD's were a good path towards non-pirated sales. I told a record company that about 10 years ago and they looked at me with a blank face. Their answer were these weird webpage style content with little quicktime movies on their cds.
I dont have an answer, but if anyone out there does, let me know and I will pass it along. The record companies used to be good customers. | |
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Kelley
Posts : 843 Join date : 2008-11-20
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:39 pm | |
| yes concert dvd's are the way to go | |
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Twenty Flight Rick
Posts : 662 Join date : 2008-04-18
| Subject: Re: free download on bs.com Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:56 pm | |
| I agree that concert dvds are a great source of revenue for both artists and record companies. It seems like the industry has loosely followed this model given the wealth of product out there. I think artists nowadays are more interested in getting all of the dvd product they can into the market mainly to drive profit as revenue from record/cd sales continues to decline. I'm an audiophile and will continue to buy cds over computer downloads just for the sound quality. What's interesting to me is watching the partnerships that music companies are forming to cross sell and market their products. When it comes to the original topic of this thread, I bought the "greatest hits" single cd and gave it to a friend just so they could have a one-disc option for their car. I already had the content, so there was nothing in it for me. I don't fault Setzer or Surfdog for offering an iTunes option for the music. I think you'll see a lot of major artists offering exclusivity deals with retailers over the next year as they struggle to find new and innovative ways to drive revenue. One thing that stands out from Courtney's letter though is the 95% fail rate. That's gotta change and record execs should be held more accountable IMHO.
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