update on the NOCTURNE..those keeping score

You know it, man. Been looking forward to it since the last date in the Loo was cancelled.

N

Second Prototype has been near finalized, fooling around with
Gain and bass cut/boost controls positioning as well as sweep
value of Gain control ( actual RE-301 has 20db,35db,50db switch).
I was able to get the circuit board half size so I could fit an LED, with
true bypass, battery and AC adapt inside this half size box.. next
step is building 25 boxes!

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Second Prototype has been near finalized, fooling around with
Gain and bass cut/boost controls positioning as well as sweep
value of Gain control ( actual RE-301 has 20db,35db,50db switch).
I was able to get the circuit board half size so I could fit an LED, with
true bypass, battery and AC adapt inside this half size box.. next
step is building 25 boxes!

Amazing !
Just got out of eBay today with this one, so now I am ready

TV, have you done any price calculations so far?
I would love to buy one, but since I'm a student I'm limited to a small budget right now.

Guitarmaniac wrote:

TV, have you done any price calculations so far?
I would love to buy one, but since I'm a student I'm limited to a small budget right now.

GM,
not yet as I just cut my costs in half with the newer board design being half the size and components.. nothing is cheap when youre not a big corporation and everything is done by you and no one wants to give you a good deal on parts unless you purchase by the thousands...
I want to undercut the competition even though I dont have any, nor
plan to make enough for it to matter. First goal is build 25

btw.. Knudi;
check the thread I started today on power supply for older
boss analog effects.. lets talk DM-3

I'm following this thread very closely for a long time and it makes me want to buy it very much.. There's only one little thingy.. I can't seem to understand what it does.. Sorry, was going to ask it for a while but didn't want to look stupid..
It must be explained somewhere in terms even I can understand. Could someone maybe point me in the right direction..

nietsk wrote:

I'm following this thread very closely for a long time and it makes me want to buy it very much.. There's only one little thingy.. I can't seem to understand what it does.. Sorry, was going to ask it for a while but didn't want to look stupid..
It must be explained somewhere in terms even I can understand. Could someone maybe point me in the right direction..

Instead of having to find an actual ROLAND RE-301 space echo to
get the preamp and have setzer's tone (it doesnt come from the tape
part of the unit) I have built a preamp that is based on this and
clones the function. Use this nocturn pedal with an analog delay
and you dont EVER need an RE-301.
Your gretsch and your fender amp with thank you...
(there is a bass cut/boost control for slab guitar players on this)
It isnt magic in box,nor is it subtle.. its an effect for your amp instead of your guitar (if that makes sense..sounds like hyperbole I guess)

thanx for the answer.. I don't realy know what I was asking for.. Because that part I got.. I listened again to the video a couple of pages back and it sounds sooo nice.. I'm realy looking forward to the finished one.. Hope I can afford one..

Cool thing to do. I want one!

nietsk wrote:

thanx for the answer.. I don't realy know what I was asking for.. Because that part I got.. I listened again to the video a couple of pages back and it sounds sooo nice.. I'm realy looking forward to the finished one.. Hope I can afford one..

I'm with ya buddy, you arent alone..in that I currently have no money after bills to build even two pedals.. hopefully I can sell a few guitars off and get the wheels rollin this week! Its ebb and flow...
One day at a time

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Instead of having to find an actual ROLAND RE-301 space echo to
get the preamp and have setzer's tone (it doesnt come from the tape
part of the unit) I have built a preamp that is based on this and
clones the function. Use this nocturn pedal with an analog delay
and you dont EVER need an RE-301.
Your gretsch and your fender amp with thank you...

uh, while I definitely want a Nocturne, I gotta' ask... "dont ever need (a tape delay)"??

What about that magical, spacious "wow & flutter" you can only get from a tape machine? ( or a modulated delay)

ruger9 wrote:

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Instead of having to find an actual ROLAND RE-301 space echo to
get the preamp and have setzer's tone (it doesnt come from the tape
part of the unit) I have built a preamp that is based on this and
clones the function. Use this nocturn pedal with an analog delay
and you dont EVER need an RE-301.
Your gretsch and your fender amp with thank you...

uh, while I definitely want a Nocturne, I gotta' ask... "dont ever need (a tape delay)"??

What about that magical, spacious "wow & flutter" you can only get from a tape machine? ( or a modulated delay)

For later straycats/BSO yah that sound is also really cool I prefer setzer's tone by the time Dirty Boogie came along, it inspired me
totally on the Nocturn.. BUT that "wow and flutter" of a space echo's tape is not very pronounce at his normal setting, unless we are talking about the slower stuff.

anyway.. that MXR Carbon Copy has the tape warble sound, the new small version of the electroharmonix deluxe memory man has that, of course the skeddy echo has it too...
Its close but not the same as the real deal, I swoon at the sound
and warm organic feel of the Fulltone TTE's fat tape response...but
man that is some serious bank.

my own secret involves the use of a Maxon CS-550 chorus used in the "b" output which is 180 out of phase with the original dry signal but using the wet/dry control set nearly all dry affords me to set the pedal's rotary speed to medium fast and blend a sort of SRV vibrotone cab into the mix of the delay.
Of course that can be had with the DL4 echoplex Ep-1 tube echo setting as well as its EP-2 and space echo settings.. a little sterile
but most cant tell.

I have a feeling it will all be knocked to crap when this
Skreddy Echo shows up as it seems like a serious take
on the echoplex... I wont know till maybe next saturday though!
grrr......

yeah, I was thinking Nocturne + modulated delay would be an amazing ticket. I've been doing a delay quest as of late, even did a big post on TGP about it... NO ONE, that I have seen, has a MODULATED delay that is warm like tape, but ALSO has some kind of preamp to simulate the tape saturation.

The DMM has the input gain, not sure if cranking that up would simulate the saturation or not.

The Reptile has an input gain, not sure if that would sim the saturation or not (plus, the demos sound really cold on that one).

I find it strange that in today's delay-ridden world, where everybody wants tape, no builder has thought to combine the modulated, warm, tape-like delay with the all-important preamp for saturation...that's where Nocturne comes in!

With Nocturne, you should be able to take basically any good modulated delay (that's warm, voiced like tape or analog) and have the ultimate "solid-state no-tape TAPE ECHO."

Sort of like that thing Fuller is SUPPOSEDLY building for the last 3 years...

My fave delay to date is the AD-999. It actually has a little grease on the repeats, if it were modulated it'd be perfect. I've been quite enjoying the tape mode of my Echo Park lately, but it's lacking that saturation grease.

ruger9 wrote:

yeah, I was thinking Nocturne + modulated delay would be an amazing ticket. I've been doing a delay quest as of late, even did a big post on TGP about it... NO ONE, that I have seen, has a MODULATED delay that is warm like tape, but ALSO has some kind of preamp to simulate the tape saturation.

The DMM has the input gain, not sure if cranking that up would simulate the saturation or not.

The Reptile has an input gain, not sure if that would sim the saturation or not (plus, the demos sound really cold on that one).

I find it strange that in today's delay-ridden world, where everybody wants tape, no builder has thought to combine the modulated, warm, tape-like delay with the all-important preamp for saturation...that's where Nocturne comes in!

With Nocturne, you should be able to take basically any good modulated delay (that's warm, voiced like tape or analog) and have the ultimate "solid-state no-tape TAPE ECHO."

Sort of like that thing Fuller is SUPPOSEDLY building for the last 3 years...

My fave delay to date is the AD-999. It actually has a little grease on the repeats, if it were modulated it'd be perfect. I've been quite enjoying the tape mode of my Echo Park lately, but it's lacking that saturation grease.

having tape repeat "smear" and variable wow and flutter, along with
transformer saturation (transformer saturation is sooo responsible for particular preamp and power amp characteristics..)
is something studio engineers are after mostly in the digital realm
but there is one company that builds specific analog hardware for recording making a super incredible product specifically meant to create this "Thing".

Empirical Labs has been around for a while and a huge number of
modern recordings we hear are using their hardware like
the "EL-8 Distressor" and the "EL-7 Fatso"

listen to Empirical labs Fatso description:

Mixdown engineers will have an option
not to use bulky, expensive, (and often flaky) analog tape
recorders to get the warmth and sweet high end they've come
to rely on for so many decades. Owners of Adats, MDM's,
RAM and modern hard disk recorders can finally put a stop
to complaints about the "coldness" and "brittle edge" of
their mixes and instruments with the "rounded" and "musically
non linear elements" of vintage analog. Finally, audiophiles
can bring back the warmth and cuddly sound of LP's and tapes
to their CD players, and other digital reproduction mediums.
Fatso's
Four Types of Processing (Available on both channels)
1. Harmonic Generation and Soft Clipper (Distortion generation)

2. High Frequency Saturation - WARMTH!
3. Transformer & Tape Head Emulation
4. Classic Knee Compression - Empirical Labs Style!

Sounds kinda cool, but I don't think it would fit on a pedalboard!

ruger9 wrote:

Sounds kinda cool, but I don't think it would fit on a pedalboard!

I was doing some session work in nashville and before it was my turn I waswatching the engineer make a snare drum sit in the mix (a ludwig black beauty) and he was using the Empirical labs Distressor.. It was awesome to watch/listen to the sound change from a brittle "Crack crack" to a fat but sharp sort of "dwat- dwat".... it just swelled up and sat into the rhythm better.
If you've ever done a multi band gig and a drummer shows up with
one of those dam piccolo snares, you know what I'm talking about
because you cant wait from him to be finished. Then a dude sets
his kit up and he's got one of those short,deep wooden pork pie
snares..and your ears just go ..aaaaahhh nice!

ps. you can hear it in action on the chick's myspace site, click
"good thing" and you can hear the snare along with my "rawk" sludge
tracks I did. The other track "Way down" at least has my solo stuff in
it.. a gretsch 6118 with powertrons is quite versatile, the snare on that tune has a different loose vibe happening..

jennifer friend music

TV,

The Nocturne is shaping up to seem pretty nice.

Is this going to be a limited/one time run, or will you have some available down the road??

I'm Incinerator wrote:

TV,

The Nocturne is shaping up to seem pretty nice.

Is this going to be a limited/one time run, or will you have some available down the road??

right now the goal is 25 units. I am getting my parts order ready
as well as layout for the boxes. We'll see what happens from there

An-ti-ci...pation! - Tim Curry

Niblos wrote:

An-ti-ci...pation! - Tim Curry

I think I am the only human from that era totally disgusted by
what Tim did in that phaggy movie... then again it took a while
for me to settle into southpark and start laughing my face off.

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Niblos wrote:

An-ti-ci...pation! - Tim Curry

I think I am the only human from that era totally disgusted by
what Tim did in that phaggy movie... then again it took a while
for me to settle into southpark and start laughing my face off.

Caught Curry live during the first run of Eric Idle's SPAMALOT! in NYC and have been a fan for quite some time. He's played some of the greatest villains of all time, check out "Legend." His solo stuff is up there with Davy Jones (BOWIE). In fact I am more embarrassed for Travolta for "GREASE" than Tim in "ROCKY HORROR."

Never could get into the Simpson's or Southpark due to the horrible artwork.

Niblos wrote:

tvthewiredturtle wrote:

Niblos wrote:

An-ti-ci...pation! - Tim Curry

I think I am the only human from that era totally disgusted by
what Tim did in that phaggy movie... then again it took a while
for me to settle into southpark and start laughing my face off.

Caught Curry live during the first run of Eric Idle's SPAMALOT! in NYC and have been a fan for quite some time. He's played some of the greatest villains of all time, check out "Legend." His solo stuff is up there with Davy Jones (BOWIE). In fact I am more embarrassed for Travolta for "GREASE" than Tim in "ROCKY HORROR."

Never could get into the Simpson's or Southpark due to the horrible artwork.

oh no doubt Curry is a cool actor.. its just the one "movie" he did.

from my phone.. ITS finally happening...

Looking GOOD! That is what we wanted!

Are you still planning on distributing Nocturne cables later on?

Niblos wrote:

Looking GOOD! That is what we wanted!

Are you still planning on distributing Nocturne cables later on?

I can answer that when I stop being mad about drilling 7 holes per box on 20 boxes with
a poopass drill press from home depot. I have actually finished 7 boxes (they all have
different diameters..the joy)